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arachnophilia
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Message 28 of 139 (721357)
03-06-2014 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Eliyahu
03-05-2014 12:52 PM


Eliyahu writes:
There is no debate necessary about these codes, because everybody can check them out, they are there. They are a fact.
it's a fact that you can derive "codes" by this method, yes.
it's also a fact that it's trivial to do with any text.
for instance, here is a fun demonstration that the bible says "moby dick" has similar codes, but that the codes found in "moby dick" say the bible doesn't have codes.
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Message 63 of 139 (721489)
03-07-2014 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Theodoric
03-07-2014 1:11 PM


Re: Ignorant or not telling truth?
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The new paper is Solving the Bible Code Puzzle, by Brendan McKay, Dror Bar-Natan, Maya Bar-Hillel, and Gil Kalai.
as a side note, i saw dr. mckay present a thoroughly amusing lecture on this topic, in 1999, at the (30th?) southeastern international conference on combinatorics, graph theory, and computing.
so, yeah, old news.

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Message 78 of 139 (721549)
03-09-2014 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Eliyahu
03-09-2014 9:05 AM


Eliyahu writes:
I'm not a mathematician ... That's why I rely on authorities in those fields, and that's why I don't make up stories myself, but show what big experts in those fields say.
so, i'm not a mathematician either. but my father is. his erdos number is 2 (i've personally met paul erdos, when i was very young, before he died), and i have pretty close ties to many 2's and 3's and i think a few 1's, big shots in the mathematical community.
i've also had pleasure of hearing brendan mckay, the anti-code source linked repeatedly in this thread, speak publicly on the topic at an international mathematics conference attended by many prominent mainstream mathematicians. suffice to say, he represents an authority in the field. michael drosnin does not.
though eliyahu rips does seem to be a Ph.D. mathematician, i don't think that is the case for his co-authors (witzum and rotenberg), and his work was largely discredited by, well, brendan mckay. and there hasn't been much other work on the subject, because that was that. this is not the sort of topic that mathematicians usually concern themselves with, even the applied/crypto sorts of mathematicians. at the conference i saw dr. mckay give his lecture, it was scheduled as a "fun aside", and a public lecture (the bible codes were a hot topic then), and trust me when i say, the audience found it all very funny. the smackdown was pretty thorough.
i suggest you read his site, and then his papers, if you want more on the topic. because you're looking to the wrong authorities.

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