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Theodoric
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Message 60 of 139 (721465)
03-07-2014 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Eliyahu
03-07-2014 10:11 AM


Ignorant or not telling truth?
Your great Rabbi's experiment has been debunked. In the same journal it was originally in.
quote:
Statistical Science publishes Bible Codes Refutation
The only paper published in a refereed scientific journal that claims to find evidence for the reality of the Bible Codes is the paper Equidistant Letter Sequences in the Book of Genesis, by Doron Witztum, Eliyahu Rips, and Yoav Rosenberg (WRR), Statistical Science, Vol. 9 (1994) 429-438.
We are now happy to announce that, after review by four senior statisticians chosen by the journal, Statistical Science has published a thorough rebuttal: Vol. 14 (1999) 150-173.
The new paper is Solving the Bible Code Puzzle, by Brendan McKay, Dror Bar-Natan, Maya Bar-Hillel, and Gil Kalai. Here is the abstract:
quote:
A paper of Witztum, Rips and Rosenberg in this journal in 1994 made the extraordinary claim that the Hebrew text of the Book of Genesis encodes events which did not occur until millennia after the text was written. In reply, we argue that Witztum, Rips and Rosenberg's case is fatally defective, indeed that their result merely reflects on the choices made in designing their experiment and collecting the data for it. We present extensive evidence in support of that conclusion. We also report on many new experiments of our own, all of which failed to detect the alleged phenomenon.

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The source also has links to the paper and all supporting data.
Alas, I am sure you will just ignore anything that does not agree with you. Oh yeah, this was debunked 15 years ago. So what is it ignorance or deceit?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 81 of 139 (721579)
03-09-2014 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Dr Adequate
03-09-2014 4:33 PM


If anything there may have been papers on the subject included in oral presentations. But from what I understand this is not at all anything like having it having it being part of the conference. Maybe someone familiar with scientific conferences can illuminate us on what an oral presentation is at a conference. I am not even sure these we actually presented it just seems from my research that there may have been oral presentations of torah codes at some of these conferences.
Could our Eliyahu be a fan of Eliyahu Rips?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 117 of 139 (721683)
03-11-2014 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 113 by NoNukes
03-11-2014 9:20 AM


Harold Gans obviously is clueless about a number of things.
I sure would love to see some official verification that he actually worked for the NSA as a code breaker.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 118 of 139 (721684)
03-11-2014 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by New Cat's Eye
03-11-2014 10:42 AM


I have yet to see any scientists that support the bible code. I guess Rips may qualify as a scientist, but other than him who else is there.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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