Message 17 of 18 (721401)
03-06-2014 11:29 PM
Ok back on topic. I have read the book and I am re reading it to make sure I haven't missed anything. Is there any one on here that has actually read No One Sees God?
If so I will start bringing up points Michael Novak makes and deconstructing them. Many times he comes off to me as very sincere. But ultimately he makes a case for Christianity being responsible for every advance in mankind's progress spiritually, philosophically economically etc.
To him Atheist are fools because they are a minority and just don't get it. But the main point is he only addresses the Nihilist Atheist. And Nihilistic Atheism is a strawman.
Nihilism is not a philosophy but a state of mind created by letting others think for you.
All paths lead to Nihilism because all paths have leaders. Leaders require sheep.
The Gadfly must not only sting the horses but the sheep also.
I think I see a strong similarity in Christian and Atheist tactics.
The Atheist likes to point out what a great world we would live in if we had no religion. South Park did a brilliant spoof of this. When I saw it being 90% Atheist I cringed and was insulted. But on some level they are right. The truth hurts.
Christians like to claim that all civilization comes from them and without religion we would never have advanced beyond savages. This is patently absurd and standing truth on its head.
So then where is truth to be found?
I see Atheism and Religion as two extremes.
One that is so gullible that they will accept almost anything fed to them.
And the other so skeptical that they reject anything before even tasting it.
I say if something taste that bad spit it out!
A Jealous Angry God that loves you? That floods the Earth and kills babies? That suicides to get attention and needs constant praise because he can create a world and you can't ? (sticks out tongue) That makes deals with a devil to see what Job can take? That ask Abraham to sacrifice his son just to see if he would do it ?
Yuck Sick Spit it out!
As for Atheist. You know you are attacking a strawman here. Live dare to breath! Meditate. Seek truth even if it scares you. Ask yourself who you are? What is love ? What is truth? Why do we create? What are dreams? Do you have a soul? Taste it. Write Poetry. Study Philosophy. Seek wisdom not just data! Live Live Live! Are you part of a greater being or is this all a delusion?
Aren't you at least a little curious? ! Don't let religion decide this all for you because it is repulsive.So what ever religion says the truth must be the opposite? There are some very spiritual people that deny religion is truth. Read "Is God A Taoist". Read Anything by John Shelby Spong. Read The Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy series. Douglas Adams was an Atheist like Einstein was an Atheist. Study Shamanism. Go on a Vision Quest!
Do you have Freewill? Make sure you can say you do not with certainty before you waste your freewill singing with the Determinist Sheep! Question Nihilism. IF you say you are not a Nihilist then don't try to prove this to me. Prove it to yourself!
(Excerpt) One Taste
by Brian Gordon
"Compare your most unnerving least explainable lucid experiences whether dream induced drug induced or just paying attention right "NowĒ. Try and find the differences.
Now question those differences. Is the one taste coming through yet? When you think you got "it" Donít relax. Donít pat yourself on the back.
Donít indulge in fears of what is next (There is no "next" in the Now) Taste the perfectness in your uncomfortableness underneath the pain behind you... in through the out door into the unknown
The unknown isn't unreachable just unspeakable. What is the difference between the one taste and love? What does perfection taste like? Can you taste the tea underneath the bitter and the sweet yet? The tea is in you not the cup. You have to pour it into the cup in order to drink it or do you?
If it is in you and it is flowing then you are flowing so why pour yourself into a cup at all.
What do you taste like?"