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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
To me it seems as if he's is a troll. He claims to be from Namibia, but the only Medical School in Namibia is at the University of Namibia, started in 2011. They expect to have their first graduates in 2014, but the name G. Gaseb doesn't appear anywhere on their lists.
Apart from that, he didn't even attempt to answer basic questions about Namibia. My guess is that he's some 'student' at one of the unaffiliated American fundamentalist Colleges who looked up the word Namibia on the net. Then he encountered the surname "Gaseb". One of them was involved as a defendant in a prominent court case. Then he pretended to be a Gaseb and then also pretended to be a medical student from Namibia. The dishonesty displayed by those fundamentalist Biblical College students in the US know no bounds. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Bolder-dash Member (Idle past 3630 days) Posts: 983 From: China Joined: |
quote: Like these guys you mean: Stephen J. Anderson*****Commercial Officer, U.S. Export Assistance Center, Baltimore, U.S. Department of Commerce Ph.D., Political Science, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Stephen Robert AndersonProfessor of Linguistics and Cognitive Science, Yale University Ph.D., Linguistics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Steve Avons******Reader in Psychology, University of Essex Ph.D., Psychology, University of Stirling Stephen Azevedo*Deputy Division Leader, Electronics Engineering Technologies Division, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Ph.D., Electrical Engineering and Computing Science, University of California, Davis Steve Beech******Global Process Owner for Joining Technology, Rolls Royce PLC Ph.D., Metallurgy, University of Manchester Chartered Engineer; Fellow of the Institute of Materials, Minerals, and Mining........ Do linguists spend a lot of time learning Darwinian evolution? How about metallurgists? What a piece of work you guys are. I see the lying hasn't abated one bit here at the phony EvC site.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
I can't see anyone you mentioned having any qualification in anything related to the relavant sciences. Life sciences.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
You count the number of scientists who reject evolution, have a degree in the biological sciences, and whose first name is Steve ... Like these guys you mean: Reading comprehension? The requirement is for "a degree in the biological sciences " That means guys like this: Stephen T. AbedonAssociate Professor of Microbiology, Ohio State University Ph.D., Microbiology, University of Arizona Stephen A. Adam****Associate Professor, Department of Cell and Molecular Biology, Feinberg School of Medicine, Northwestern University Steven Reid Adams******Assistant Professor, Department of Biology, University of Central Arkansas Steve Adolph******Professor of Biology, Harvey Mudd College Ph.D., Zoology, University of Washington Stephen B. AleyProfessor of Biological Sciences, Associate Dean, University of Texas, El Paso Ph.D., Biology, Rockefeller University Stephen C. Alley*Senior Scientist, Seattle Genetics, Inc. Ph.D., Chemistry, University of Washington Steven D. Allison******Assistant Professor, Departments of Ecology & Evolutionary Biology and Earth System Science, University of California, Irvine Ph.D., Biological Sciences, Stanford University Stephen D. Anderson*******Scientific Administrator/Editor, Pacific Northwest Diabetes Research Institute Ph.D., Biological Sciences, University of Southern California Steven C. Anderson******Emeritus Professor of Biology, University of the Pacific Ph.D., Biology, Stanford University Stephen W. ArchL. N. Ruben Professor of Biology, Reed College Ph.D., Biology, University of Chicago Steve Archer****Professor of Rangeland and Forest Resources, University of Arizona Ph.D., Rangeland Ecosystem Science, Colorado State University, Ft. Collins Stevan J. ArnoldProfessor of Zoology, Oregon State University Ph.D., Zoology, University of Michigan Stephen M. Arthur****Research Biologist, Alaska Department of Fish and Game Ph.D., Wildlife Biology, University of Maine Stephen J. Aves******Associate Professor of Molecular Biology, University of Exeter Ph.D., Biochemistry, University of Bristol Stephen D. Baluch*******Trait Integration Breeder, Monsanto Company Ph.D., Plant Breeding and Genetics, Purdue University Steven W. Barger*Associate Professor of Geriatrics, Anatomy & Neurobiology, and Internal Medicine University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences Steven Barnes*******Professor, Departments of Physiology & Biophysics and Ophthalmology & Visual Sciences, Dalhousie University Ph.D., Neurobiology, University of California, Berkeley Stephen John Barnett*Research Scientist, South Australian Research and Development Institute Ph.D., Microbial Ecology, University of Adelaide Steven J. Baskauf*Senior Lecturer, Biological Sciences, Vanderbilt University Ph.D., Biology, Vanderbilt University Steven G. Bassett*******Associate Professor of Biology, Seton Hill University Ph.D., Biomedical Science, Eastern Virginia Medical School/Old Dominion University Steven Bates******Lecturer in Molecular Microbiology, University of Exeter Ph.D., Molecular Biology, University of Leicester Steven J. Beaupre*******Professor and Chair of Biological Sciences, University of Arkansas Ph.D., Ecology and Evolution, University of Pennsylvania Stephen M. Becker****Postdoctoral Fellow, Virginia Commonwealth University; Visiting Assistant Professor, Mary Washington University Ph.D., Immunology, Virginia Commonwealth University Stephanie Bedhomme******Post-doctoral Associate Researcher, Animal Evolutionary Ecology Group, Institute for Evolution and Biodiversity, University of Muenster Ph.D., Evolutionary Biology, University of Montpellier Steven R. BeissingerChair and Professor of Environmental Science, Policy, and Management, University of California, Berkeley Ph.D., Natural Resource Ecology, University of Michigan Do linguists spend a lot of time learning Darwinian evolution? How about metallurgists? What a piece of work you guys are. I see the ***** hasn't abated one bit here at the phony EvC site. The NCSE list is for all scientists who support evolution. Even Linguists. The challenge in this thread is for you to list scientists who have a "degree in the biological sciences" who do not support evolution. I very much doubt you inadvertently missed this. You chose to ignore it. The only "lying" going on here is yours. You can't meet the challenge so you blow smoke, obfuscate, misdirect, lie. Real piece of work you are, Pebblebrain. Edited by AZPaul3, : wanted to Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Do linguists spend a lot of time learning Darwinian evolution? How about metallurgists? What a piece of work you guys are. You post the nonsense list and then call others names, troll?
I see the ***** hasn't abated one bit here at the phony EvC site. Same old Bolder-Dash; cannot post without spoiling for a fight. Well that mild remark will not earn you the suspension you crave. You are going to have to work harder. How about some mean comments about Percy's Aunt Bea? Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Bolder-dash, so you mean out of the 187 900 life-science scientists in the US in 2008, (with PhD's on the subject) , you could only name a few scientists with no related fields of expertise?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I wish we could find a better example of something that would falsify evolution. I agree. I think what Faith was trying to say is that we are unlikely to find a cow skeleton down there even if the earth were only 6000 years old and that we have deliberately picked something difficult to find. By having a list of things and giving general ways for creationists to compose examples of their own, the impression of deck stacking is avoided. Of course there is more reliance on the logical thought processes of creationists...Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
NoNukes writes
NoNukes writes: I agree. I think what Faith was trying to say is that we are unlikely to find a cow skeleton down there even if the earth were only 6000 years old and that we have deliberately picked something difficult to find. I disagree. She's talking nonsense. In a major global flood described by them, we would expect to find some cow skeletons amongst the fish. Remember, in a major flood, as postulated by creationists, there would be no boundary between oceanic 'layers' and continental 'layers' . In the case of a global flood, we would expect to find trilobite and cow fossils 'intermingling'. Everywhere. It's never found. Cows sould be found in the same layer as trilobites according to them. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
His profile now claims his location is Russia.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
Maybe there's some sort of student exchange programme....
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
He did say he would be away for a while.
Perhaps he is attending an evolution sceptic conference in Russia with all the other scientist disputing ToE.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 735 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I never got an answer a few months back when I pointed out to Faith that trilobite and crab fossils never are found in the same rocks.
"The Christian church, in its attitude toward science, shows the mind of a more or less enlightened man of the Thirteenth Century. It no longer believes that the earth is flat, but it is still convinced that prayer can cure after medicine fails." H L Mencken
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Bolder-dash writes:
So you can't name a single person who knows anything about biology who's a critic of evolution? You're shooting yourself in the foot.
Like these guys you mean:
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
They remind me of the Comfort/Cameron crocoduck, although of course they misunderstand evolution and proposed it as something that would validate evolution rather than falsify it. I remember watching a video of Cameron and his crocoduck years ago. I can still feel the intense embarrassment I felt for him. I have always been mystified that people will make fools of themselves so publicly. It just is not that hard to find out what the ToE really is, but instead they protest against a caricature that has no resemblance to the theory at all. Cameron shows himself to be a gullible dupe and embarrassingly he will probably never even realize it. I wonder what ever happened to him. What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
When DNA was descovered it could have shown that the species taxonomists had declared as related weren't. I do remember that there were some surprises when the DNA comparisons of families in Class Aves (birds) were completed. For example, if I remember correctly, Old World Vultures and New World Vultures were not closely related. Old World Vultures and Storks were related and New World Vultures and birds of prey were related. Once DNA relationships were established, other taxonomic characters (morphology, embryology, behavior, etc.) were understood in a new light. I have been involved in a number of studies using genetic comparisons of dragonflies at finer resolution, families, genera and species. It is an amazing tool.
Even now, if an organism was found that used a different set of molecules than DNA, the theory would be in trouble. I'm not so sure the theory would be in trouble. The theory clearly works for DNA based organisms and also for all the fossils found so far. I think it is more likely that we would develop a separate Theory of Evolution for XYZ life. This is what we will do when we discover extraterrestrial life.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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