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Message 256 of 969 (724382)
04-16-2014 7:46 PM
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04-16-2014 6:22 PM


Re: It's here.
No no no no no, you have it all wrong
This is the Proper Procedure for using test tube with pipette:
You must lay the test tube flat on the table. Oh first stuff the open end with, oh, pink bubble gum so the green stuff won't leak out. Then you poke the pipette into the bubble gum to help stabilize it, let it stand there like an acupuncture needle (this test really benefits from acupuncturing the bubble gum) while you take your electric drill to the side of the test tube now facing up so as to open up a REAL opening. It helps to wear goggles for this experiment. {I drew this procedure on Paint but as usual I am unable to post images here. But the description may suffice.}
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Message 257 of 969 (724383)
04-16-2014 8:14 PM
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04-16-2014 4:26 PM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
Faith writes:
Oh and I keep forgetting to state the main point about the Kaibab plateau, which is that people keep saying the same processes that formed the strata are continuing as they always have, but the huge expanse of the Kaibab alone should tell you it's not going on as it always has. Where on earth is anything like that continuing on such a scale? And consider also those diagrams of the different strata of North America that HBD posted on a thread a while back, strata that extend across the entire continent. Layer after layer extending for vast distances. That is NOT going on anywhere today. The accumulations of sediment you can point to here and there are paltry little collections by comparison.
Have you ever looked at a globe of the earth? There is this huge area that we call the Pacific Ocean. Sediment is being deposited there in an area that is many times the size of the Kaibab, in square miles. Over millions of years those sediments will become layered strata.
And where is the sediment that should be accumulating still above or in the Grand Canyon and Grand Staircase today? It's not happening, it would be ridiculous to expect it to happen and yet for supposed hundreds of millions of years you all think that's what continued era after era. What brought it to an end?
Good grief! Anyone can see anyone can see that sediment is not accumulating there now because it is in a region that is being eroded. Sedimentation stopped when it was no longer under a sea, millions of years ago.
NONE OF THIS FITS YOUR GEOLOGIC TIMESCALE, it fits the model of A ONE-TIME EVENT that built the whole stack after which it underwent tectonic disturbance, which is exactly what would be expected of the worldwide Flood.
Your silly flood model has been refuted dozens of times in the Grand Canyon thread.
All the evidence, every single every grain of sand every rock, every fossil sorted neatly into layers, refutes a global flood.
You have been told hundreds of times that the kinds of evidence that a global flood would leave cannot be seen anywhere on the planet.
You just keep making stuff up and act as if you expect us to suddenly start believing you. Give it up. There was no flood. The evidence is conclusive that it is a silly story from an old book and by the time you have grown up you should know it is no more true than Santa Claus.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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AZPaul3
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Message 258 of 969 (724385)
04-16-2014 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Faith
04-16-2014 7:46 PM


It's Free
Images are not uploaded to the forum for storage (except avatars). You need to have your image on a third party site that can be called into the forum when the page with that image is viewed.
Try PhotoBucket. It's free.
You draw up your stuff, uploaded to PhotoBucket and they will give you the proper IMG code to use here. And best of all it's free.
I have a whole bunch of images there that I have used on my forums over the years, all still there, still available and will still show up on those really old posts. It doesn't cost you anything. It's free.
You can find images on the web, download them to your PC, play with them, upload to PhotoBucket then post them here.
Did I mention that it's free?
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Faith 
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Message 259 of 969 (724386)
04-16-2014 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by Tanypteryx
04-16-2014 8:14 PM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
Excuse me but
BULLSHIT.
What utter nonsense to think the ocean floor rises and falls. You guys can't even tolerate the idea of one Flood but you've got risings and fallings of land and sea to accommodate whatever scenario you think is required to fulfill your idiotic Geologic Timetable and all the rest of the Evofantasy. One layer has stuff that lives on dry land so you postulate a dry climate for that "era" but the one above it has stuff that forms normally in water, so you assume the sea rose so that that stuff could form,. THIS IS CRAZINESS.
SHOW ME THE LAYERS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. This is just another absurd piece of cobweb spinning. THEN show me how it's going to beome the continent and the contentns are going to sink or whatever nonsense follows.
Your fossils do NOT demonstrate evolution, they demonstrate the usual splitting into breeds and races and varieties and you CAN'T tell which is parent and which offspring. Bunch of nonsense.
Yeah you've tolod me your fantasy hundreds of times and I'm sure you'll tell it to me another hundred times but a lie is a lie, a fantasy is a fantasy,.
ABE: Oh imagine thaty, deposition hyas stop;ed becvause it's in a region that's being eroded, well isn't that convenient. What sltopped it, why did it stop at all. IT STOPP:ED BECUAE TYHE FLOOD WAS OVER. But as I said you guys can rationalize away anything.
And again I WANT TO SEE THOSE LAYERS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. That's just another piece of the mental castlebguilding. GET REAL,.
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Faith 
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Message 260 of 969 (724387)
04-16-2014 8:26 PM
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04-16-2014 8:20 PM


Re: It's Free
I used to be able to load my images to my blogs and could post them here from there. That no lojnger works flor some rason. Mwaybe I'll try Pho9tobucket.
Yes I used images from the web for my Proper Test Tube Procedure with Pipette

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Tanypteryx
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Message 261 of 969 (724391)
04-16-2014 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Faith
04-16-2014 8:23 PM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
Excuse me but
BULLSHIT.
Well, we all know that you are our resident expert when it comes to bullshit. Luckily I have my trusty bullshit meter and the needle is pointed directly at you.
What utter nonsense to think the ocean floor rises and falls. You guys can't even tolerate the idea of one Flood but you've got risings and fallings of land and sea to accommodate whatever scenario you think is required to fulfill your idiotic Geologic Timetable and all the rest of the Evofantasy. One layer has stuff that lives on dry land so you postulate a dry climate for that "era" but the one above it has stuff that forms normally in water, so you assume the sea rose so that that stuff could form,. THIS IS CRAZINESS.
This has all been explained to you hundreds of times, but you still cannot understand it. The evidence clearly supports our theory. Your pathetic repetitious flood fairy tale does not have a shred of evidence. We all know you are an expert on crazy too.
Your fossils do NOT demonstrate evolution, they demonstrate the usual splitting into breeds and races and varieties and you CAN'T tell which is parent and which offspring. Bunch of nonsense.
Evolution, baby! They show evolution and macroevolution. The fossils show it and you can't explain it.
Yeah you've tolod me your fantasy hundreds of times and I'm sure you'll tell it to me another hundred times but a lie is a lie, a fantasy is a fantasy,.
I don't remember that I tolod you anything, but I will tell you one thing, you are a fantastic liar.
ABE: Oh imagine thaty, deposition hyas stop;ed becvause it's in a region that's being eroded, well isn't that convenient. What sltopped it, why did it stop at all. IT STOPP:ED BECUAE TYHE FLOOD WAS OVER. But as I said you guys can rationalize away anything.
It is convenient for all the people that live there now. It stopped because it is not under the sea anymore. Sheesh, pay attention.
And again I WANT TO SEE THOSE LAYERS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. That's just another piece of the mental castlebguilding.
The layers that are under the sea now are readily evidenced by core samples that are routinely taken during exploration for oil and other minerals. We have a number of geologists at EvC who have talked about this.
GET REAL,
OK, the reality is that no global flood happened, the bible is a myth, your story is pure bullshit fantasy, you do not know anything about Geology*, and all caps make you look stupid.
* In over 14,000 posts here you have demonstrated beyond any doubt that you do not know anything about any science.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 262 of 969 (724392)
04-16-2014 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Taq
04-10-2014 6:32 PM


"Please, show us the peer reviewed papers where these claims are tested and supported." (sorry, I'm still old school with this quoting thing...)
You mean prove to you that they've been run through the Evolutionary Crucible? lol.
You're saying "I don't believe your hypothesis, and i won't consider believing it until the majority of my peers do."
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Dr Adequate
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Message 263 of 969 (724393)
04-16-2014 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by Faith
04-16-2014 8:23 PM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
SHOW ME THE LAYERS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. This is just another absurd piece of cobweb spinning. [...] And again I WANT TO SEE THOSE LAYERS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. That's just another piece of the mental castlebguilding. GET REAL,.
I can still be surprised at how ignorant you are. I shouldn't be, but I am.
One layer has stuff that lives on dry land so you postulate a dry climate for that "era" but the one above it has stuff that forms normally in water, so you assume the sea rose so that that stuff could form,. THIS IS CRAZINESS.
Sure, it's CRAZINESS to say that the sea rose. Unless you say it rose so high as to cover even the highest mountains, and that it did so in just forty days. That makes perfect sense.

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Message 264 of 969 (724396)
04-16-2014 11:38 PM
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04-16-2014 9:46 PM


"Please, show us the peer reviewed papers where these claims are tested and supported." (sorry, I'm still old school with this quoting thing...)
The demand for evidence has never been a problem for people who were actually right. Why should an exception be made for creationists?
You mean prove to you that they've been run through the Evolutionary Crucible? lol.
You can tell that that's not what he means by the way that that's not what he says.
You're saying "I don't believe your hypothesis, and i won't consider believing it until the majority of my peers do."
You can tell that that's not what he's saying by the way that that's not what he's saying.

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Message 265 of 969 (724399)
04-17-2014 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 263 by Dr Adequate
04-16-2014 9:51 PM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
The point is that it's a major event for the sea to rise but the "Geologic Timetable" requires that it rose and fell who knows how many times to accommodate the silly idea that the contents of the rocks grew in place.
AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT THERE ARE LAYERS AT THE BOTTOMN OF THE SEA SINCE I KNOW LAYERS FORM IN WATER. What I doubt is that they are like the Geo Column and that there is any way they would ever become part of the continents. AND THIS IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM, see cores, see descriptions, see exactly what they really are, what life forms if any they contain and so on. AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE YOU TO EXPLAIN how the ocean bed is going to rise while the continents fall.
Of course you have to stick the supposedly continuing Geologic Timetable out in the ocean because it clearly stopped forming on the continents about 4300 years ago.

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Faith 
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Message 266 of 969 (724402)
04-17-2014 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 261 by Tanypteryx
04-16-2014 9:32 PM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
Evolution, baby! They show evolution and macroevolution. The fossils show it and you can't explain it. -
I'll say it again: There are fossils of many related creatures in the fossil record, different breeds or races of certain animals, including the trilobites and various reptilian sea creatures among others off the top of my head. These variations do not demonstrate anything more than the development of different forms of the same species we see all the time, the black and the blue wildebeest, brown, black and white bears, different elk, different deer, different sheep, the many breeds of dogs and cats, the different varieties of plants, all demonstrating the enormous variety of the different Species and not demonstrating at all, either in the fossil record or in living species, anything other than diversity built into the genome of each, NOT evolution in any sense that climbs up the strata from one form to another. AGAIN, you have NO way of knowing which population in the fossils record is parent and which offspring and it is just as likely that the parent is at the higher levels as at the lower.
The whole shebang is pure ASSUMPTION, pure mental construct, NO REALITY.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 267 of 969 (724403)
04-17-2014 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Faith
04-17-2014 12:29 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
The point is that it's a major event for the sea to rise but the "Geologic Timetable" requires that it rose and fell who knows how many times to accommodate the silly idea that the contents of the rocks grew in place.
And if you have an argument against that, feel free to say what it is.
The argument for it is the physical evidence --- y'know, that stuff you know nothing about? That stuff.
AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT THERE ARE LAYERS AT THE BOTTOMN OF THE SEA SINCE I KNOW LAYERS FORM IN WATER. What I doubt is that they are like the Geo Column and that there is any way they would ever become part of the continents. AND THIS IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM, see cores, see descriptions, see exactly what they really are, what life forms if any they contain and so on.
There's this thing called the Internet.
AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE YOU TO EXPLAIN how the ocean bed is going to rise while the continents fall.
Huh?
Of course you have to stick the supposedly continuing Geologic Timetable out in the ocean because it clearly stopped forming on the continents about 4300 years ago.
We can in fact still see sediment being deposited on the continents. That's how we know what sediment formed on land looks like, remember? This is why we can identify the sediment in sedimentary rocks as having been formed by the same processes, remember? It's one of the points that destroys stupid fantasies ascribing all the sediments to a magic flood, remember?
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Faith 
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Message 268 of 969 (724404)
04-17-2014 12:39 AM
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04-17-2014 12:36 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
I KNOW sediments are still forming, and I ALREADY SAID SO. They do not form on anything like the scale of the Geologic Column and there is no REASON FOR THEM TO HAVE STOPPED FORMING THAT COLUMN EITHER ON YOUR THEORY. They stopped because the Flood stopped.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 269 of 969 (724405)
04-17-2014 12:44 AM
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04-17-2014 12:39 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
They have not stopped. This is why we can observe them going on.
How did this get turned into another "Faith Knows Fuck-All About Geology" thread anyway? Apart from anything else, the point has been made. By now there are probably tribesmen in Outer Mongolia who know that Faith knows fuck-all about geology. In the Amazon rainforest, when the Birono people wish to convey that another person is ignorant, they say "La mopu bexa Faith wahu geology" ("You know about as much as Faith does about geology"). There are alien civilizations where the only thing they know about Earth except for the words "Mostly Harmless" is that there's this person here called Faith who knows fuck-all about geology. What I'm trying to say here is that THE FACT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED. You can stop now.

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Faith 
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Message 270 of 969 (724406)
04-17-2014 12:54 AM
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04-17-2014 12:44 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
I googled "ocean floor sediment layers." Funny there's really nothing at all similar to the geo column down there. Perhaps you have other evidence?
Google
And somewhere in there someone remarked that considering how old the earth supposedly is, a few billion years or so, there should be a lot more stuff on the ocean floors than there is. And what there is isn't in anything like the layers of the Geo Column.

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