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Faith 
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Message 271 of 969 (724408)
04-17-2014 1:02 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Dr Adequate
04-17-2014 12:44 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
Also googled
Ocean floor sediment cores which also doesn't demonstrate anything along the lines of the formation of a geo column. So much for your knowledge of geology.
And if you don't want to discuss my views don't respond to my posts.

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Message 272 of 969 (724409)
04-17-2014 1:18 AM
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04-17-2014 12:54 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
I googled "ocean floor sediment layers." Funny there's really nothing at all similar to the geo column down there. Perhaps you have other evidence?
There's layers of sediment, which, as you drill further down, compact into sedimentary rock. This bears a striking resemblance to sediment and sedimentary rock, because of being sediment and sedimentary rock.
And somewhere in there someone remarked that considering how old the earth supposedly is, a few billion years or so, there should be a lot more stuff on the ocean floors than there is.
Ah, that "someone" must be a creationist. They frequently drool out retarded nonsense about geology, due to being hopelessly ignorant of the subject. A top tip for using the Internet for research is to avoid creationist websites, as creationists are complete fucking morons. Maybe I should have mentioned that before, I guess I just assumed you knew.

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Faith 
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Message 273 of 969 (724410)
04-17-2014 1:18 AM


Kind of a weird idea anyway that the geo column should stop forming on the land and take up where it left off at the bottom of the ocean. Now in fact it hasn't done that as my last couple of posts show, but the idea itself is amusing enough to comment on. So typical of the mental nature of all this, all interpretive silliness, no reality, but of course a lot of aggressive assertions of the ignorance of the opposition, which makes one wonder why you feel the need. Perhaps you are deep down a tad afraid I'm right and then what would you do?
And again there is no reason for it to ever stop forming on the land anyway if the timetable theory is correct. What reason can you possibly give? You have none. 'Cause there is no Geologic Timetable, it's all a mental construct without a shred of reality. It got laid down and then it stopped getting laid down when the Flood stopped because it's just a stack of layers of sediments with dead things in them that the currents of the oceans created. SO clear, SO simple, SO real.

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Message 274 of 969 (724411)
04-17-2014 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by Faith
04-15-2014 9:45 PM


Re: Why Is Evolution So Uncontroversial? Redux
Falsifiability is one of the hallmarks of genuine science.
Is there anything, in your mind, that could possibly falsify one or more of the statements found in the bible?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Faith 
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Message 275 of 969 (724412)
04-17-2014 1:19 AM
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04-17-2014 1:18 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
I don't think it was a creationist as a matter of fact but if there's a question it should be somewhere on that page I googled.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 276 of 969 (724413)
04-17-2014 1:21 AM
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04-17-2014 1:19 AM


Re: Why Is Evolution So Uncontroversial? Redux
The Bible is the word of God, it's not science, the criterion does not apply. One is to read the Bible using one part to build on another.

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Faith 
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Message 277 of 969 (724414)
04-17-2014 1:22 AM
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04-17-2014 1:18 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
I don't see anything like the sedimentary layers of the geo column.

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Message 278 of 969 (724415)
04-17-2014 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by Faith
04-17-2014 12:39 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
They do not form on anything like the scale of the Geologic Column and there is no REASON FOR THEM TO HAVE STOPPED FORMING THAT COLUMN EITHER ON YOUR THEORY.
And once again you demonstrate how ignorant you are about Geology. You clearly don't have a clue what the geological column is.
The sediments are forming at exactly the scale of the Geological Column. As long as organisms are dying in the ocean and sinking and material is being eroded from the continents the sedimentary layers will slowly continue to build up millimeter by millimeter for millions of years. The lower layers will slowly be compacted by heat and pressure and become rock, embedding the remains of some dead animals as they become fossils.
That's what is happening now. That is what has been happening for more than 3 billion years. That is what will continue to happen for a long time into the future.
The Geological Column is continuing to form even as we speak right now at exactly the same Geological Scale as it has since the earth cooled enough to have oceans and life started evolving.
Face it Faith, your silly theory has hundreds of flaws in it. They have been pointed out to you thousands of times. There was no flood.
Yo are just a sore loser. Your myth has been dead for 200 years.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Dr Adequate
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Message 279 of 969 (724416)
04-17-2014 1:23 AM
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04-17-2014 1:18 AM


Kind of a weird idea anyway that the geo column should stop forming on the land and take up where it left off at the bottom of the ocean.
I would have characterized this idea of yours, like the rest of your ideas about geology, as "insane" rather than "weird".
And again there is no reason for it to ever stop forming on the land anyway
That's why it didn't.
It got laid down and then it stopped getting laid down when the Flood stopped
If sediment stopped being deposited after the Flood, then why can we still observe sediment being deposited?

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Tanypteryx
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Message 280 of 969 (724417)
04-17-2014 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Faith
04-17-2014 12:35 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
The whole shebang is pure ASSUMPTION, pure mental construct, NO REALITY.
That is a good description of your flood fantasy. No evidence Faith, no evidence.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Dr Adequate
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Message 281 of 969 (724418)
04-17-2014 1:26 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by Faith
04-17-2014 1:22 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
I don't see anything like the sedimentary layers of the geo column.
Perhaps you could elaborate on what you're drooling about?
Layers of sediment and sedimentary rock, to me, bear a striking resemblance to layers of sediment and sedimentary rock, because of being layers of sediment and sedimentary rock, which are like layers of sediment and sedimentary rock.
---
(I am overlooking your pig-ignorant misuse of the phrase "geological column", because one has to make allowances for your deep ignorance of everything you ever talk about.)

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Coyote
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Message 282 of 969 (724419)
04-17-2014 1:29 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Faith
04-16-2014 1:20 AM


Re: It's just a big convoluted mental construct
I don't find this sort of information to be readily available.
Well, you shouldn't expect to find highly technical scientific information in your local newspaper, on creationist websites, or in the Jack Chick tracts.
Perhaps, if you are looking for highly technical scientific information, you should be looking in the technical journals, which take up whole floors in major university libraries.
Can you tell us which of the major journals you have examined in search of this information?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 283 of 969 (724420)
04-17-2014 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 277 by Faith
04-17-2014 1:22 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
I don't see anything like the sedimentary layers of the geo column.
Gosh, when you refuse to look what do you expect? You have never read and have said you will never read a scientific paper. And then you whine that you can't find the information.
If you want to find out something you need to read the fucking papers.

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 284 of 969 (724421)
04-17-2014 1:43 AM
Reply to: Message 276 by Faith
04-17-2014 1:21 AM


Re: Why Is Evolution So Uncontroversial? Redux
The Bible is the word of God, it's not science, the criterion does not apply. One is to read the Bible using one part to build on another.
So, there is nothing in the bible that could possibly be falsified?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.

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Faith 
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Message 285 of 969 (724424)
04-17-2014 2:56 AM


Geo Timescale no longer telling time
I don't know why you are all insisting the sediments in the ocean are at all like the geo column when they clearly aren't. I produced the links that show that they aren't. All you've done is assert that they are. There's no similar layering and I can't find any evidence of fossilization going on in anything I looked at either.
More problems with that idea though: Shouldn't any continuation of the Geologic Column / Geologic Timetable be producing the most recent life forms, adding on to the very top of the timescale? But at the bottom of the ocean you're just going to get marine life, right? So it's like you're starting all over building up this geo column, you're NOT continuing the Geo Timescale at the bottom of the ocean at all.
It SHOULD continue just as the strata are normally laid down, at the top of the existing last layer. Not in new basins, not at the bottom of the sea.
This is simply not the Geologic Column / Timetable.
The Geologic Timescale is over and done with, kaput. Because it never existed in the first place. It's a fiction imposed upon a stack of sediments containing fossilized dead things, that accumulated over a short period of time. Then it stopped accumulating. It's over with.
I also wonder why the existing geologic column isn't found in the oceans. Isn't that what core bores should show, some collection of the familiar layers we call the Geo Timescale? While all that was building up on the land why not also at the bottom of the sea? That's more of an academic question, I'm just wondering.
ABE: But whoever that was who pointed out that after a few billion years the ocean floors ought to have more to show for it is quite right.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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