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Pressie
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Message 286 of 969 (724426)
04-17-2014 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by Faith
04-17-2014 2:56 AM


Re: Geo Timescale no longer telling time
Faith writes:
The Geologic Timescale is over and done with, kaput.
Publish your research and convince all those tens of thousands of profesional geologists of that as they find the geological time scale very, very helpful. And all the Geology Departments in every University in the world. And all those mining companies.
Just be aware; you might be laughed at in your face, by every single one of them.

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Pressie
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Message 287 of 969 (724427)
04-17-2014 5:05 AM
Reply to: Message 273 by Faith
04-17-2014 1:18 AM


Faith writes:
And again there is no reason for it to ever stop forming on the land anyway...
There are lots of reasons for deposition to stop. For example, ever heard of erosion?
You should read up on what the geological time sheet is and read up on what a geological column is before you keep on making such a fool of yourself.
Also do some studies on the Kalahari Group, the Algoa Group, the Sandveld Group and the Maputaland Group to name but a few.
Faith writes:
... if the timetable theory is correct.
The geological time table is not a theory.
Let me help you a little bit: The geologic time sheet represents units of time. Not of rocks.
Edited by Pressie, : Added a sentence and spelling

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frako
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Message 288 of 969 (724428)
04-17-2014 5:38 AM
Reply to: Message 259 by Faith
04-16-2014 8:23 PM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
What utter nonsense to think the ocean floor rises and falls. You guys can't even tolerate the idea of one Flood but you've got risings and fallings of land and sea to accommodate whatever scenario you think is required to fulfill your idiotic Geologic Timetable and all the rest of the Evofantasy. One layer has stuff that lives on dry land so you postulate a dry climate for that "era" but the one above it has stuff that forms normally in water, so you assume the sea rose so that that stuff could form,. THIS IS CRAZINESS.
Damnn that crazy GPS nonsense right those silly scientists measured the rise of the new Zealand Alps, to be 5 millimetres a year. Their gps must be faulty and even if its not this clearly shows the grand canyon couldn't have rose up that high in 6000 years and we all know the earth is 6000 years old. Silly scientists.
Measurement of Mountains' Rise is a First | Live Science

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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frako
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Message 289 of 969 (724429)
04-17-2014 5:42 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by Faith
04-17-2014 12:39 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
I KNOW sediments are still forming, and I ALREADY SAID SO. They do not form on anything like the scale of the Geologic Column and there is no REASON FOR THEM TO HAVE STOPPED FORMING THAT COLUMN EITHER ON YOUR THEORY. They stopped because the Flood stopped.
Sure they do you are just thinking on a 6000 year time-scale, while the actual time-scale is a bit bigger, so they have way much more time to form.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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frako
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Message 290 of 969 (724430)
04-17-2014 5:47 AM
Reply to: Message 265 by Faith
04-17-2014 12:29 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
AND I DON'T DOUBT THAT THERE ARE LAYERS AT THE BOTTOMN OF THE SEA SINCE I KNOW LAYERS FORM IN WATER. What I doubt is that they are like the Geo Column and that there is any way they would ever become part of the continents. AND THIS IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM, see cores, see descriptions, see exactly what they really are, what life forms if any they contain and so on. AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE YOU TO EXPLAIN how the ocean bed is going to rise while the continents fall.
Well one giant plate pushes under the other one when they collide so the one on the bottom gets pushed down the other one up. And yes they are still going the plates move a few centimetres a year not much on a 6000 year time-scale but that time-scale is silly anyway. But on the real time-scale it makes perfect sense.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Pressie
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Message 291 of 969 (724431)
04-17-2014 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 289 by frako
04-17-2014 5:42 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
It would really be very interesting to see how old Faith explains all that 'sand' (up to 200m thick covering 2.5 million square kilometers) in the Kalahari Basin by claiming some magic fluddy.
For those who don’t know (I guess virtually everyone on this forum; the Kalahari Group found in the Kalahari Basin started being deposited in the late Cretaceous).
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 292 of 969 (724432)
04-17-2014 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 291 by Pressie
04-17-2014 6:28 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
um the Kalahari Basin link goes to some Nobel prize winning protocell
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Pressie
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Message 293 of 969 (724433)
04-17-2014 7:07 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by frako
04-17-2014 5:38 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
And the Himalayas. Mount Everest and K2 have a family feud to see who can be he highest mountain. Sometimes one is in front; some years the other is in front. On average they go around 5mm higher. Every year. Fossils and all. Both decided to say: stuff erosion!
Hopefully none of them has a gun to mow down the other one.

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Pressie
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Message 294 of 969 (724434)
04-17-2014 7:08 AM
Reply to: Message 292 by frako
04-17-2014 6:51 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
Thanks. I'll try to change it to the right one. Hopefully it links to the intended document now.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

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Percy
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Message 295 of 969 (724438)
04-17-2014 7:48 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by Faith
04-17-2014 2:56 AM


Re: Geo Timescale no longer telling time
Faith writes:
ABE: But whoever that was who pointed out that after a few billion years the ocean floors ought to have more to show for it is quite right.
This has been explained to you before in many other threads. The oldest seafloor in the world is perhaps 200 million years old. Most seafloor is less than 100 million years old. Seafloor is produced at oceanic ridges where it travels conveyor like to subduction zones where it descends into the Earth and is melted and consumed in the mantle. Only occasionally does seafloor become continent and so is preserved. Most seafloor that has ever existed on Earth is long gone now, disappeared into subduction zones.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 296 of 969 (724445)
04-17-2014 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 245 by RAZD
04-16-2014 1:48 PM


Re: a proper falsification test vs an undoable test
RAZD writes:
Curiously, imho, the attitude that this Precambrian Cow type of test is a "good" falsification test of evolution smacks of self-satisfaction, confirmation bias and hubris, rather than a hard skeptical scientific developed rugged test.
This is as inexplicably nonsensical as something Faith would say.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Fix attribution.

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Message 297 of 969 (724446)
04-17-2014 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by Faith
04-17-2014 12:54 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
I googled "ocean floor sediment layers." Funny there's really nothing at all similar to the geo column down there.
Lying again. The claim was layers, not rocks. I looked at that search and count five on the first page that discuss layers on the sea floor, including at least one sonar image that clearly shows layers:
And if you go to the image search version , you can easily see:
Remember, it's layers, not rocks. And those layers exist. Exactly how to those layers fail to resemble the geologic column?
Ocean floor sediment cores which also doesn't demonstrate anything along the lines of the formation of a geo column. So much for your knowledge of geology.
I looked at that search... it's an image search, and you missed this one:
quote:
This image sequence shows the cross-section of a core drilled in the Mediterranean Sea. Sediment layers can be formed from dust, volcanic ash, river sediments, underwater mudslides, plant and animal skeletons, precipitated calcium carbonate, or salts left behind by an evaporated sea. (Image courtesy Integrated Ocean Drilling Program)
Layers out the wazoo.
And you missed:
And:
(from a lake)
And:
And:
quote:
Sediment and rock cores recovered by drilling the seafloor provide access to a vast repository of geological and environmental information on Earth's history. The core shown above, collected 300 miles off the northeast Florida coast, reveals an amazingly detailed record of a meteorite impact event in the Caribbean 65 million years ago. This event is believed to have caused mass extinction, perhaps as much as 70 percent of all species, including the dinosaurs. The dark layer contains the debris from the impact. The rust colored layer represents the debris from the vaporized meteorite. The graded gray core material overlying the rust layer shows the gradual repopulating of the ocean with microorganisms. The approximately 40 cm of core material was collected at a water depth of about 2600 meters, 110 meters below the seafloor.
Layers, Faithie-poo.

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JonF
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Message 298 of 969 (724447)
04-17-2014 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 270 by Faith
04-17-2014 12:54 AM


Re: The "Geologic Timescale" does not exist
And somewhere in there someone remarked that considering how old the earth supposedly is, a few billion years or so, there should be a lot more stuff on the ocean floors than there is.
Must be someone just as ignorant as you.. The ocean floors are much younger than the Earth. Plate Tectonics. The Atlantic is only around 130 million years old.

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JonF
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Message 299 of 969 (724450)
04-17-2014 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 285 by Faith
04-17-2014 2:56 AM


Re: Geo Timescale no longer telling time
I don't know why you are all insisting the sediments in the ocean are at all like the geo column when they clearly aren't. I produced the links that show that they aren't.
You produced links and claimed that they show you are correct. I looked at the links and they prove you wrong.
All you've done is assert that they are.
See above, from cursory inspection of your links (which you obviously did not do).
There's no similar layering and I can't find any evidence of fossilization going on in anything I looked at either.
Exactly what evidence would you expect to find if fossils werr being formed? Something like Whale Fall?

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Larni
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Message 300 of 969 (724458)
04-17-2014 10:35 AM
Reply to: Message 262 by Ed67
04-16-2014 9:46 PM


Not so.
I imagine Taq is saying that until there is evidence to support the hypothesis it will not be accepted.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286
Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.
-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134

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