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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
DA writes: But perhaps you will use this different term to mean a different thing. We'll see. Nope. Specified Complexity will do. It's easier to type, anyway.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
DA writes: I take it you DISAGREE that it takes intelligence to create a system that runs without intelligence?
A little common sense would tell him that the Earth is flat.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
CS writes:
Okay, we'll start by going to the online dictionary and looking each word up. "complex specified information" is a term in the English language understandable by English speakers. What makes it information? How is it specified? And at what point does it get to be considered complex? COMPLEX:
quote:I would pick definition 2 for this case, what do you think?
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
2. SPECIFIC:
quote: I'd say the first definition is appropriate, having a special APPLICATION.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
3. INFORMATION:
quote: I'd say number 2 applies here; it's factual data, and it's communicated to the cell by the nucleotide code.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
I didn't expect any of the gang to get it. This is the part that requires common sense.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
ed writes: . INFORMATION: 2.knowledge gained through study, communication, research, instruction, etc.; factual data: His wealth of general information is amazing. quote:. EvC Forum: Information That one's a given.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
ed writes: 2. SPECIFIC:quote: adjective 1. having a special application, bearing, or reference; specifying, explicit, or definite: to state one's specific purpose. quote:http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/...trieve/Narrative/SC/p-nid/153 Another given... So so far we have the INFORMATION and SPECIFIED parts confirmed by the discoverers and researchers of the DNA code. How about COMPLEX?
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
ed writes:
Well, DNA doesn't have machinery, per se, so that part of the definition doesn't apply. COMPLEX: 2.characterized by a very complicated or involved arrangement of parts, units, etc.: complex machinery. But it DOES have a very "complicated or involved' arrangement of "units" in the nucleotide sequence, so it qualifies as COMPLEX. There you go, gang, all you need to admit that, by the english definitions of the terms, the DNA molecule contains COMPLEX SPECIFIED INFORMATION. Now I'll stop using the term, on DA's request.Unless, of course, someone ELSE brings it up...
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
frako writes: Yea its the same information as a mould has, to make moulded objects. Yes, and the information in the mould was put there by an intelligent designer.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
DA writes:
Go back to high school. This is REALLY basic stuff
But it DOES have a very "complicated or involved' arrangement of "units" in the nucleotide sequence
No it doesn't.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
Theo writes: Woooo,Two of the three words were used by the author of the piece. That must mean, must mean...absofuckinglutely nothing. Do you really think Watson and Crick would support CSI? Watson is still alive. Why don't you ask him? Before you embarrass yourself more. quote:"The easiest way to believe in the theory of intelligent design is to never go to school," he said. sore loser
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
subbie writes: Can you explain why you see something in DNA that James Watson doesn't? Can you explain why you can't see what Watson and Crick saw?
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
Since it appears many of you missed high school biology class, here is another summary of the function of DNA:
quote:MedlinePlus: Genetics -notice how even the URL calls it BASICS. So it's common knowledge among the scientifically literate that DNA is the medium through which a COMPLEX, SPECIFIED CODE conveys the instructions necessary to build and maintain an organism.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3354 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
quote:Not found – YourGenome Edited by Ed67, : No reason given.
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