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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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You probably couldn't see that 'cause it's a secret invisible code. Is that like the secret invisible code in cornstarch? Looks like information that is complex and specified in that stuff ... hidden in the molecules ... by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3988 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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RAZD writes: Is that like the secret invisible code in cornstarch? Maybe. A good sauce is divine. You can't say that about most people "If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Ed67 writes:
All I'm saying is that the "code" that's "embedded" in DNA is its structure - and that every other molecule has its own structure too, so every molecule has a "code" that's "embedded" in it exactly the same way.
You are desperate to squash the idea of a code embedded in the DNA/RNA molecule. Ed67 writes:
I'm assuming that you got the quotes accurately from Crick and/or Watson. I don't know where you got your misunderstanding of those quotes. They don't mean what you think they mean. Where do you think I got those quotes from? Since you don't understand chemistry, you can't expect to understand quotes about chemistry.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Ed67 writes:
"Group think" is actually related to objectivity. If the group comes to the same conclusion, chances are they've overcome their biases. If the odd man out disagrees, chances are it's because of his individual biases.
You've got some kind of creepy 'group think' going on... Ed67 writes:
Again, if one person sees pink elephants and the group doesn't, chances are the odd man out is hallucinating.
... where you all have developed the same blind spots.
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3355 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
ringo writes:
Did you notice the one from the University of Washington?
Ed67 writes:
All I'm saying is that the "code" that's "embedded" in DNA is its structure - and that every other molecule has its own structure too, so every molecule has a "code" that's "embedded" in it exactly the same way.
You are desperate to squash the idea of a code embedded in the DNA/RNA molecule.Ed67 writes:
I'm assuming that you got the quotes accurately from Crick and/or Watson. I don't know where you got your misunderstanding of those quotes. They don't mean what you think they mean. Where do you think I got those quotes from? Since you don't understand chemistry, you can't expect to understand quotes about chemistry. And, since you know so much about chemistry, and are dying to share it, would you please explain your statement:
ringo writes: ...so every molecule has a "code" that's "embedded" in it exactly the same way [as DNA]. Edited by Ed67, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Did you notice the one from the University of Washington? Did they say that it was not, as Ringo said:
Ringo: that the "code" that's "embedded" in DNA is its structure - and that every other molecule has its own structure too, so every molecule has a "code" that's "embedded" in it exactly the same way. Did they say some process other than chemistry was involved?
And, since you know so much about chemistry, and are dying to share it, would you please explain your statement: It's just ...terms "in the English language understandable by English speakers. It means exactly what it says. It is not a mathematical term, ..." ... especially those that studied chemistry ... Edited by RAZD, : .. Edited by RAZD, : .. Edited by RAZD, : .. Edited by RAZD, : ..by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3355 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
I wasn't talking to you, turnip head.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4443 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.0
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I wasn't talking to you, turnip head. So, you finally admit you are an immature troll.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3355 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
DA writes: But it's not extra, that's the point that ringo's trying to make. You couldn't, for example, remove the "information" in the DNA but leave the chemistry, or remove the chemistry but leave the "information". You are correct. The code necessary to sustain life is integrated with the chemistry of the DNA molecule, of course. Marvellous, isn't it?
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subbie Member (Idle past 1281 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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Ed67 writes: I wasn't talking to you, turnip head. So, you've moved on to the next chapter of the IDiot's playbook; try to get suspended so you run back to your sandbox full of other IDiots and tell them you got banned because we couldn't refute your arguments. How very unoriginal and transparent.Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3355 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
Is that an invitation, or a threat?
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subbie Member (Idle past 1281 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
ED676 writes: Is that an invitation, or a threat? Neither. It's an observation. I'd never invite anyone to leave. If/when I get tired of you, I'll just stop reading your verbal vomitus. And I don't have the authority to suspend or ban anyone, so I there'd be no point in my threatening to.Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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Ed67 Member (Idle past 3355 days) Posts: 159 Joined: |
ringo writes: Ed67 writes:
Of course you can. The only "code" is the arrangement of the molecule. Every molecule has an arrangement which determines its reactions. What's so hard to understand about that? The CODE for building proteins necessary for life. In a molecule. Now you can't say that about salt. Uhh, sorry ringo cuz I know that you're a real chemistry enthusiast, but I have to tell you: SALT DOES NOT CONTAIN THE CODE FOR BUILDING OF PROTEINS.
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined:
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SALT DOES NOT CONTAIN THE CODE FOR BUILDING OF PROTEINS. Of course not, it's not DNA. It does, however, contain the code for preserving Cod in a barrel. How amazing.
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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t does, however, contain the code for preserving Cod in a barrel. How amazing. Yes. And for melting ice and freezing ice cream! Who programmed that code? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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