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Theodoric
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05-20-2014 11:24 AM


I have been hearing a lot from right wingers about how we now have an imperial presidency and that Obama is using many more Executive Orders than his predecessors.
Fox News has also jumped on this bandwagon.
Executive Order tyranny -- Obama plans to rule America with pen, phone | Fox News
Fox's Hemmer Validates GOP Mistrust Of Obama With Executive Order Fantasy | Media Matters for America
Of course these are all lies.
A wingnut acquaintance forwarded me the latest wingnut outrage about Executive orders.
quote:
The President signed 923 Executive Orders in 40 Months. It is all over the net. These sites include commentary on what the executive order is for and what it does. If this is the truth, I'm scared to think about it. Most of the past presidents have allegedly signed around 30 of them. At the end of the day an executive order circumvents the congress and senate. Fill in the blanks. Someone credible needs to research and report on this.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
-EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
Feel free to verify the executive orders at will ... and these are just the major ones ...
EXECUTIVE ORDERS ISSUED:
Teddy Roosevelt: 3
Others Prior To FDR: NONE
FDR: 11 in 16 years
Truman: 5 in 7 years
Ike: 2 in 8 years
JFK: 4 in 3 years
LBJ: 4 in 5 years
Nixon: 1 in 6 years
Ford: 3 in 2 years
Carter: 3 in 4 years
Reagan: 5 in 8 years
Bush 1: 3 in 4 years
Clinton: 15 in 8 years
Bush 2: 62 in 8 years
Obama: 923 in 3+ years!
During my lifetime, all Presidents have issued Executive Orders, for reasons that vary, some more than others.
When a President issued as many as 30 Executive Orders during a term in Office, people thought there was something amiss.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT 923 EXECUTIVE ORDERS IN ONE PART OF ONE TERM?????? YES, THERE IS A REASON.
IT IS THAT THE PRESIDENT IS DETERMINED TO TAKE CONTROL AWAY FROM THE HOUSE AND THE SENATE.
Even some Democrats in the House have turned on him, plus a very small number of Democrat Senators question him.
HE SHOULD BE QUESTIONED. WHAT IS HE REALLY TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH????
DOES THIS SCARE YOU AS MUCH AS IT DOES ME?
How much of this is actual fact. NONE.
Here is more evidence that the right wing is sorely blacking in critical thinking skills. Any idea how long it took me to debunk this? As long as it takes to do a search on the internet. I will let Snopes do the take down.
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In the U.S., an executive order is a presidential policy directive that implements or interprets a federal statute, a constitutional provision, or a treaty without the requirement of congressional approval. As described by TheFreeDictionary:
The president can use [executive orders] to set policy while avoiding public debate and opposition. Presidents have used executive orders to direct a range of activities, including establishing migratory bird refuges; putting Japanese-Americans in internment camps during World War II; discharging civilian government employees who had been disloyal, following World War II; enlarging national forests; prohibiting racial discrimination in housing; pardoning Vietnam War draft evaders; giving federal workers the right to bargain collectively; keeping the federal workplace drug free; and sending U.S. troops to Bosnia.
Historically, executive orders [are] related to routine administrative matters and to the internal operations of federal agencies, such as amending Civil Service Rules and overseeing the administration of public lands. More recently, presidents have used executive orders to carry out legislative policies and programs. As a result, the executive order has become a critical tool in presidential policy making. For example, President John F. Kennedy used an executive order to eliminate racial discrimination in federally funded housing, President Lyndon B. Johnson acted through an executive order to prohibit discrimination in government contractors' hiring practices, and President Richard M. Nixon used an executive order to set a ninety-day freeze on all prices, rents, wages, and salaries in reaction to rising inflation and unemployment.
The item reproduced above purports that President Obama has so far issued a whopping 923 executive orders (compared to about thirty each for previous presidents) and offers supposedly alarming provisions of some of those orders. However, the entirety of this item is erroneous.
First of all, the number of executive orders issued by President Obama is grossly exaggerated here. Through the first five years of his presidency (i.e., as of 20 January 2014) the count of all executive orders issued by President Obama was 168, not 923. Moreover, compared to President Obama's predecessors in the White House, this is not an unusually large number of orders for a modern president: President George W. Bush issued 291 executive orders during his eight years in office, while President Bill Clinton issued 364 such orders over the same span of time.
The listing of numbers of executive orders issued during the terms of modern presidents included in one of the examples above also bears no resemblance to reality. This chart compares the claimed number of orders issued by each president on the list with the actual number issued, as documented by The American Presidency Project:
Name Number claimed: Actual number:
Theodore Roosevelt 3 1,081
Franklin Roosevelt 11 3,522
Harry Truman 5 907
Dwight Eisenhower 2 484
John Kennedy 4 214
Lyndon Johnson 4 325
Richard Nixon 1 346
Gerald Ford 3 169
Jimmy Carter 3 320
Ronald Reagan 5 381
George H.W. Bush 3 166
Bill Clinton 15 364
George W. Bush 62 291
Barack Obama 923 168
(Side comment. Sorry did not feel like taking time to build a table for the above data. [Made into a nice table. --Admin])
The attribution to President Obama of fourteen executive orders (numbered between 10990 to 11921) in the example text is way off base as well: not a single one of those orders was issued by President Obama. The first twelve orders in the list date to the administration of President John F. Kennedy in 1962, one dates to the administration of President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1966, and one dates to the administration of President Gerald R. Ford in 1976.
Read more at Executive Orders | Snopes.com
American Presidency Project
These are not just simple omissions or stretching the truth. This is outright plain and simple lying. The claims are magnitudes off from the realities. The right wing has resorted to the only thing they have left. Propaganda.
Edited by Admin, : Make a nice table.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Message 2 of 9 (727738)
05-20-2014 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Theodoric
05-20-2014 11:24 AM


The right wing has resorted to the only thing they have left. Propaganda.
Worse still - they're resorting to improperganda...

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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05-20-2014 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Theodoric
05-20-2014 11:24 AM


They won't come out and say it. But what really bothers the right, is that they see Obama as guilty of PWB (presiding while black).

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 4 of 9 (727757)
05-20-2014 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Theodoric
05-20-2014 11:24 AM


One of the most pathetic things about the people who are fooled by this is that you can actually debunk it without doing any research, or even knowing what an executive order is. Here's their made-up table:
Teddy Roosevelt: 3
Others Prior To FDR: NONE
FDR: 11 in 16 years
Truman: 5 in 7 years
Ike: 2 in 8 years
JFK: 4 in 3 years
LBJ: 4 in 5 years
Nixon: 1 in 6 years
Ford: 3 in 2 years
Carter: 3 in 4 years
Reagan: 5 in 8 years
Bush 1: 3 in 4 years
Clinton: 15 in 8 years
Bush 2: 62 in 8 years
Obama: 923 in 3+ years!
Well, if that is accurate, which it isn't, then how the fuck could Obama have signed, as they claim, executive order #10990?
It literally doesn't add up. Anyone who can count can see that they must be lying about something.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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05-27-2014 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Dr Adequate
05-20-2014 1:05 PM


Well, if that is accurate, which it isn't, then how the fuck could Obama have signed, as they claim, executive order #10990?
Just like the first check in your first checkbook starts at #1001, they started the first executive order at #10001.

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Message 6 of 9 (728364)
05-27-2014 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Theodoric
05-20-2014 11:24 AM


tables R us
The lies:
Teddy Roosevelt: 3in ? years
Others Prior To FDR: NONEin ? years
FDR: 11 in 16 years
Truman: 5 in 7 years
Ike: 2 in 8 years
JFK: 4 in 3 years
LBJ: 4 in 5 years
Nixon: 1 in 6 years
Ford: 3 in 2 years
Carter: 3 in 4 years
Reagan: 5 in 8 years
Bush 1: 3 in 4 years
Clinton: 15 in 8 years
Bush 2: 62 in 8 years
Obama: 923 in 3+ years!
The truth:
Name Number claimed: Actual number:
Theodore Roosevelt 3 1,081
Franklin Roosevelt 11 3,522
Harry Truman 5 907
Dwight Eisenhower 2 484
John Kennedy 4 214
Lyndon Johnson 4 325
Richard Nixon 1 346
Gerald Ford 3 169
Jimmy Carter 3 320
Ronald Reagan 5 381
George H.W. Bush 3 166
Bill Clinton 15 364
George W. Bush 62 291
Barack Obama 923 168
to paraphrase Twain: there are liars, damn liars, and republicans ...

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Message 7 of 9 (728366)
05-27-2014 11:58 AM
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05-27-2014 11:17 AM


Just like the first check in your first checkbook starts at #1001, they started the first executive order at #10001
That gets you to 11044 not 11921 ...
Edited by RAZD, : 11921 is the last one listed not 10990

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05-27-2014 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by RAZD
05-27-2014 11:58 AM


Who said #10990 was his last one?

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05-27-2014 5:40 PM
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05-27-2014 12:26 PM


Who said #10990 was his last one?
Actually 11921 is the last one listed, not 10990, so 10001 doesn't work.
(fixed my post as well)

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