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Author Topic:   Why did God forgive our sins?
NoNukes
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Message 402 of 479 (729581)
06-14-2014 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 401 by Phat
06-14-2014 10:39 AM


Re: The Freewill Defense
What is not agreed upon is the idea that Gods foreknowledge is itself evil. In fact, this sounds like an argument that a fallen spirit would make so as to gain the sympathies of humans.
What is the argument that creating evil is not evil?
I don't believe that to be the case, but I don't see an argument against it in your post. Just an attribution of the opposite argument as sounding like Satan. Well if the fallen spirit is wrong, what is your answer?
My personal belief is that it is simply not possible to create a universe that includes both free will without having the possibility of evil. So the evil, if it is attributable to God, must then for the act of creating a universe at all.
Well on balance I think existence is better than non existence, so given a choice between a universe with evil in it and a universe in which everyone is an automaton, I prefer this one even knowing the evil that mean do. I don't find the choice something I'd hesitate over for even a moment.
Of course someone could question whether such a God is omnipotent. I have no problem with there being things you can imagine that God cannot do, so I don't think the question is all that important. God cannot make a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it. But so what?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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