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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
I'm agnostic about other people's agnosticism and/or atheism.
ringo writes:
That would make you either agnostic or atheist rather than them. I just don't believe they know what they think they know.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no? Or are you asking agnostic? How can you be just a little bit atheistic? Either you believe in a deity or set of deities, or you don't. It is just like being pregnant. You are either pregnant, or you aren't. There isn't some middle path where you are a little bit pregnant.
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granpa Member (Idle past 2368 days) Posts: 128 Joined: |
I didn't say there was. I said the question itself makes no sense.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
How can you be just a little bit atheistic? Igtheism.
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PurpleYouko Member Posts: 714 From: Columbia Missouri Joined: |
How can you be just a little bit atheistic? Either you believe in a deity or set of deities, or you don't. It is just like being pregnant. You are either pregnant, or you aren't. There isn't some middle path where you are a little bit pregnant.
Surely there are degrees of certainty in a person's beliefs.I would say that Faith is 100% certain of her positions but I don't think many of us share that level of conviction. I would place myself at about 95% along a scale towards Atheism since I have yet to see any evidence saying otherwise yet I am unable to hold the absolute conviction that God does not exist. Does that make me an Atheist?. In the chart it would place me as a (mostly) gnostic atheist but not all the way into the corner.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
granpa writes: the possibility that other universes might have different laws from our own is a reasonable possibility. But they must follow some sort of laws of cause and effect and that means it isn't magic Oh? Why's that? Are you privy to the rules of universe-making? Did you just say that other universes can have different laws from ours, but they must follow the same laws? Other universes (if they exist) do not depend on your ability to fathom their existence.Just like God and other Spaghetti Monsters.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Surely there are degrees of certainty in a person's beliefs. You can still have a firm belief in the face of 100% uncertainty. I think they call it faith.
I would place myself at about 95% along a scale towards Atheism since I have yet to see any evidence saying otherwise yet I am unable to hold the absolute conviction that God does not exist. Atheism does not require a belief in the absence of God. All atheism requires is a lack of a positive belief in God which would make you 100% atheist.
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PurpleYouko Member Posts: 714 From: Columbia Missouri Joined: |
Surely there are degrees of certainty in a person's beliefs.
You can still have a firm belief in the face of 100% uncertainty. I think they call it faith. Atheism does not require a belief in the absence of God. All atheism requires is a lack of a positive belief in God which would make you 100% atheist.
All depends on definitions doesn't it?personally I agree with you that atheism is just a lack of belief. nothing more and nothing less but my experience has been that most people see atheists as having a positive belief in the absence of God. I've often argued that point in the past.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you have a firm (let's say absolute) belief in something then you are, by definition, 100% certain that you are correct. Take Faith's position about the bible as an example. right or wrong, there is absolutely no doubt in her certainty that the bible is 100% correct. Since I was mentioned I'll answer, yes, that's of course very true. There is no such thing as faith in anything you don't believe is true.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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If you have a firm (let's say absolute) belief in something then you are, by definition, 100% certain that you are correct. Belief and knowledge are two different things. Belief is what you have in the absence of knowledge, in the absence of certainty.
personally I agree with you that atheism is just a lack of belief. nothing more and nothing less but my experience has been that most people see atheists as having a positive belief in the absence of God. A lack of a belief is enough to get above the bar. Anything additional is just more clearance over that bar. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq Member Posts: 10077 Joined: Member Rating: 5.2
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Since I was mentioned I'll answer, yes, that's of course very true. There is no such thing as faith in anything you don't believe is true. There is no faith if you have evidence that it is true. Faith is a belief held in the absence of evidence. Without evidence you do not have certainty. However, you can still have the convictions of your faith based beliefs. The problem seems to be that people are confusing conviction with certainty. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I'd say, rather, that the strength of your faith correlates to the strength of your belief. If you really, really, really do believe in spooks then you can have a lot of faith in spooks - but if you only kind sorta believe in spooks, you won't put much faith in them. There is no such thing as faith in anything you don't believe is true. For you, faith may be an on/off switch that goes straight from atheism to fanatical Christianity but for others it's more of a spectrum.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
No, I have not stopped beating my wife: I did not start.
You're an idiot. Edited by Larni, : Added the last sentence.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The Just shall live by faith....not evidence.
When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to meannothing more nor less.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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The Just shall live by faith....not evidence. That is just nonsense made up by ancient shamans to keep the sheep in the flock, and well-sheared. If anyone ever tells you, "Trust me, don't bother with any evidence," place one hand on your wallet and exit the area as quickly as possible.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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