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Author Topic:   Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1
OS
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Message 402 of 1498 (730631)
06-29-2014 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 401 by NoNukes
06-29-2014 1:23 PM


According to some papers, it seemed, Calcium-40 and I would add a neutron.
I misred the paper. I would have said potassium-41.
No, I really don't know. You have to have the physical environment perfect and sometimes there are by-products.
Your answer is probably more in depth.
Edit: I found a few article which support 41K for sure, and some seem to say 41Ar is possible. I would have to look at it closely though.
Edit: nope 41K is the isotope alone.
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Message 404 of 1498 (730686)
06-29-2014 7:25 PM
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06-29-2014 6:26 PM


I wanted to prove Ar40 is difficult to produce or happens easily sometimes, and thus unlikely to be indicate ages. I went to far by wondering if the reverse direction was easier.
There is a way to reverse it, but it is strange and seems to take more effort. So the only thing I can say, and it goes against conventional understanding, is that 40K/40Ar decay requires a neutron and the expulsion of a proton.
Is there such a decay or is it 39K/40Ar? Yet my skepticism probably sounds silly.
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Message 406 of 1498 (730688)
06-29-2014 7:45 PM
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06-29-2014 7:34 PM


No, I wanted more in depth knowledge as to how the general K-Ar-Ca mix works. It has spurred me to read more.
On the magma level, it does look like 40K is being forced to turn into 40Ar and 40Ca by neutrons and protons.

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Message 408 of 1498 (730690)
06-29-2014 8:14 PM


I think I should conclude here too.
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Message 411 of 1498 (730697)
06-29-2014 8:48 PM
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06-29-2014 8:20 PM


"For a collision between argon 40 and a proton, the result would be emission of either two protons to get Cl-39 or an alpha particle to get Cl-38."

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Message 419 of 1498 (733729)
07-20-2014 5:51 PM
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06-30-2014 5:16 AM


Luckily for humanity, both the K/Ar and Ar/Ar methods only start working after the magmatic phases.
What's your proof?

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Message 422 of 1498 (733734)
07-20-2014 6:21 PM


No, I believe he said with that statement, Argon formation in magma doesn't happen. I believe the statement such, is totally false.

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Message 424 of 1498 (733741)
07-20-2014 7:02 PM
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07-20-2014 6:32 PM


What if the argon is being made in the molten state?

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Message 427 of 1498 (733744)
07-20-2014 7:42 PM
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07-20-2014 7:36 PM


So, it doesn't really matter when the argon is generated, or where.
While I don't agree, I understand your point.

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Message 428 of 1498 (733745)
07-20-2014 8:05 PM
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07-20-2014 7:26 PM


Yet it is produced in the magma state. And looking at Zircon crystals, it looks as though the noble gases are formed very fast. I just wonder if the noble gas is in there bouncing, and not wanting to react to crystal rock.

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Message 430 of 1498 (733747)
07-20-2014 8:56 PM
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07-20-2014 8:38 PM


"not wanting to react"? I wasn't clear. Is it unstable in its containment? Does it bounce around in the rock?

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Message 437 of 1498 (755531)
04-09-2015 7:32 AM
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11-12-2014 11:32 AM


How do the noble gases get trapped in radioactive rock. Have you thought this out?

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Message 440 of 1498 (755543)
04-09-2015 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 434 by RAZD
11-08-2014 5:18 PM


Re: for zaius137
Clear as mud. But the Geiger counter seems to rule tree ring dating. How C14 is in the atmosphere and where it is seems to be deciding factors. Most trees don't grow new rings. They have them at once and they become distinct and spread with age.

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Message 441 of 1498 (755544)
04-09-2015 9:07 AM
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04-09-2015 7:51 AM


They cause the formation of the crystals. The crystal are formed slowly. Nice dodge.
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Message 443 of 1498 (755546)
04-09-2015 9:34 AM
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04-09-2015 9:14 AM


Re: for zaius137
ThinAirDesigns writes:
Then let's make sure and use the ones that do for dating calibration.
You always keep track of the date when you pull something from a tree. The results don't always represent tree ring growth.
Let me guess, you measure every ring as it expands too. It is interesting to me how paper seems to date better than corpses.

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