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Coragyps
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Message 91 of 740 (733911)
07-22-2014 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
07-22-2014 8:38 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
Of course it's the geologic/stratigraphic column for that locality. Off of Louisiana it goes back to maybe the Cretaceous or so - maybe before that. I haven't kept up with the deephole stuff they drill down there these days.
And the column fifty miles south of Grand Isle lines up with the column you see when you drill up north of Baton Rouge, or over at Mobile. The same B. mexicana fossils show up at the same relative spot in all those places.

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edge
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From: Colorado, USA
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Message 92 of 740 (733912)
07-22-2014 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Faith
07-22-2014 7:54 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
The way to prove if today's deposition is in fact building on THE Geologic Column would be to show what lies BENEATH the new deposition. But I gather nobody cares to deal with that concept, you'd rather make up your own idea of geologic columns and claim to defeat it with a bunch of irrelevancies.
I guess you missed it, but I mentioned the modern sediments being deposited on layers going continuously back to Permian time under the Mississippi River Delta.

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edge
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Message 93 of 740 (733913)
07-22-2014 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
07-22-2014 8:38 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
How very odd! You excoriate me for failing to appreciate that people who are not posting on this forum know what is in the dirt beneath recent deposits, and somehow you assume it would answer my request that this be known without giving the slightest information about what exactly is supposedly known.
That's what you miss when you don't read others' posts. I provided a link or an image showing exactly what Cora described.
Is it the Geo Column or not?
According to you, it would be. Continuing right up to the present and, evdently, beyond.

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Faith 
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Message 94 of 740 (733914)
07-22-2014 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by edge
07-22-2014 8:56 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
Oh good, well there's your proof then.

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Faith 
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Message 95 of 740 (733915)
07-22-2014 9:02 PM
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07-22-2014 9:00 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
So sorry, if I'm dealing with a dozen people I can miss anything and your attitude that I should have seen it, let alone even have a clue what it's supposed to prove, is off base.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 96 of 740 (733916)
07-22-2014 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Coragyps
07-22-2014 8:56 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
I guess you've made your point then.

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edge
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Message 97 of 740 (733917)
07-22-2014 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Faith
07-22-2014 8:25 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
I know it's an abstraction and as long as you keep repeating that as if I hadn't said it myself many times I am not going to read the links you've posted. Fair is fair.
Actually, it was your strawman version of "The Geological Column" that you were smacking down. The one that had to be 'growing upward', and wide as a continent, and whatever else you thought it should be. You were not discussing the same geological 'colulmn' that we were.

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edge
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Message 98 of 740 (733918)
07-22-2014 9:06 PM
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07-22-2014 9:02 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
So sorry, if I'm dealing with a dozen people I can miss anything and your attitude that I should have seen it, let alone even have a clue what it's supposed to prove, is off base.
Hmmm, maybe if you were a little less shrill, outrageous, ... maybe less disagreeable?

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Faith 
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Message 99 of 740 (733919)
07-22-2014 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by edge
07-22-2014 9:04 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
Sorry, I have to suppose that's an honest opinion but as written it's just a shot in the dark and I have no reason to take it seriously. I'm the one who originally brought up the concept of the Geologic Column and you've all been feverishly engaged since then in proving me wrong, usually by misrepresenting me, often by missing the point altogether. So I really have little reason to take anything you say at face value.

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Faith 
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Message 100 of 740 (733920)
07-22-2014 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by edge
07-22-2014 9:06 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
Sorry, I reject that characterization of anything I've said here. Look to yourself, you are the worst offender among a gaggle of snarkies.

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edge
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From: Colorado, USA
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Message 101 of 740 (733921)
07-22-2014 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Faith
07-22-2014 9:07 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
Sorry, I have to suppose that's an honest opinion but as written it's just a shot in the dark and I have no reason to take it seriously. I'm the one who originally brought up the concept of the Geologic Column and you've all been feverishly engaged since then in proving me wrong, usually by misrepresenting me, often by missing the point altogether. So I really have little reason to take anything you say at face value.
Actually, it was you defining what you wanted the geo column to be. We agree that it is an abstraction, just not the same one that you created in your own mind.

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edge
Member (Idle past 1706 days)
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From: Colorado, USA
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Message 102 of 740 (733922)
07-22-2014 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Faith
07-22-2014 9:09 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
Sorry, I reject that characterization of anything I've said here. Look to yourself, you are the worst offender among a gaggle of snarkies.
You mean that's all the thanks I get for explaining things to you?

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Faith 
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Message 103 of 740 (733923)
07-22-2014 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by edge
07-22-2014 9:09 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
Again you post a totally incomprehensible empty opinion. What do you expect me to do with that sort of stuff? All I can do is ignore it, it relates to nothing in my own memory or experience and I have NO interest in tracking anything down in this benighted mess of a thread.

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Faith 
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Message 104 of 740 (733924)
07-22-2014 9:12 PM
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07-22-2014 9:10 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
You get no thanks for doing nothing but trying to trip me up, prove that you're the expert, and generally being obnoxious.

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Coyote
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Message 105 of 740 (733926)
07-22-2014 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Faith
07-22-2014 9:11 PM


Re: Mt. Pinatubo is Proof Positive
Again you post a totally incomprehensible empty opinion. What do you expect me to do with that sort of stuff?
A lot of posters have been presenting you with facts.
Facts that you don't like, you dismiss as opinion, as not being "TRVE" science, or you just ignore.
All I can do is ignore it, it relates to nothing in my own memory or experience and I have NO interest in tracking anything down in this benighted mess of a thread.
Ignoring something does not make it go away! Those facts that you don't like are still out there.
Remember that in science a single unruly fact can cause a theory to be reevaluated and maybe overturned. Scientists can't ignore facts that dispute their theories, as can apologists.
That fact that some evidence relates to nothing in your memory or experience is no reason to ignore it! It will still be there though you hide your head under the covers and pretend it never happened.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
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If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
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