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JonF
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Message 681 of 740 (735068)
08-05-2014 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 680 by edge
08-05-2014 11:41 AM


No, she means you can write off the Jurassic and Cretaceous sediments as volcanic. Gotta be the kookiest things she's ever come up with, and that's saying something.

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JonF
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Message 691 of 740 (735081)
08-05-2014 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 683 by Faith
08-05-2014 12:04 PM


Huh?
You just declared that sedimentary rocks are volcanic when you want them to be. Message 672:
the formations made up of interspersed layers of volcanic and sedimentary layers that many posted appear to be volcanic in origin, the whole formation
No, the whole formation does not appear to be of volcanic origin. The tuffs are volcanic, the sedimentary rocks are sedimentary. That's why they are labeled as sedimentary. It's because they are sedimentary. In case you haven't figured it out yet, sedimentary rocks are sedimentary, and geologists can tell that they are sedimentary.
You don't get to re-define "sedimentary" as "volcanic" when it's convenient, which is what you are obviously trying to do to avoid the fatal flaws in your fantasies.
And since you claim that the interspersed sedimentary rocks are not sedimentary, it's obvious that to you "sedimentary" and "volcanic" make no reference to the nature of the rocks, you just label them as whatever type you want them to be. Therefore when we consider "Paleozoic sedimentary rocks overlain by Permian/Triassic volcanics, in turn overlain by Jurassic and Cretaceous sediments" you think you can just label the overlying sediments as volcanic and avoid the problem.
You can't.

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JonF
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Message 692 of 740 (735082)
08-05-2014 12:47 PM


Sedimentary rocks are sedimentary
Her's some stratigraphy from the Lake Turkana region that is clearer on the nature of the sedimentary rocks. From ANU ANNUAL REPORT 2001:
Stratigraphic sections and placement of hominid specimens in the Lomekwi drainage, west of Lake Turkana, northern Kenya. Reproduced from Leakey et al. (Nature, 410, 433-440, 2001)
From Stratigraphic placement and age of modern humans from Kibish, Ethiopia (all but the abstract is paywalled):
From Initiation of the western branch of the East African Rift coeval with the eastern branch (again paywalled except for the abstract):
Faith, do you really think that mudstone, claystone, sandstone, and conglomerate are volcanic when it suits you? 'Cause that's what you said.

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JonF
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Message 694 of 740 (735086)
08-05-2014 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 693 by Faith
08-05-2014 12:49 PM


Re: I didn'tRe: Sedimentary rocks are sedimentary
I didn't mean to say that they are volcanic, but that they are connected with volcanism
You did say that they are volcanic. Precision is important in science. But they are not connected with vulcanism, either, other than being deposited on top of volcanic deposits. They are connected with sedimentary deposition, most of it under water. You have to explain many regressions and returns of the fludde waters over a year all over the world. That's not a global fludde.
You really should say that you have no idea how to accommodate the facts into your fantasy, rather than just making up ridiculous ideas.

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JonF
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Message 698 of 740 (735102)
08-05-2014 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 697 by Faith
08-05-2014 2:22 PM


Re: I didn'tRe: Sedimentary rocks are sedimentary
Yup, can't address the fatal flaw, one of many, with your fantasy. You'll be much happier in an echo chamber by yourself.

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JonF
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Message 719 of 740 (735169)
08-06-2014 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 717 by herebedragons
08-06-2014 10:46 AM


Why do you come here as opposed to a place like EFF, where everyone will agree with you?
I doubt that the Electronic Frontier Foundation would have a lot of people that agree with her. Evolution Fairy Tale, OTOH, might.
;-)

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JonF
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Message 733 of 740 (735272)
08-08-2014 10:06 PM


Remember Feynman: the easiest person to fool is yourself.

  
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