As usual, you bash creationism and give all the evolutionary hoaxes a pass.
Nebraska man and piltdown man weren't a hoax??? How long were they taught in schools to be "science"?? How long were they still being taught after they were proven to be false?
If you read
Message 1 you will see that both of these were listed:
Pretty simple criteria.
Here is a starting list:
Nebraska Man - does not qualify, the initial publication was an interpretation of a single tooth, the rest is mostly all newspaper hype (including the (in)famous picture), and the original scientist determined it was a pig on further investigation. No scientist has since claimed it was a hominid fossil.
Piltdown Man - does not qualify: the hoax was perpetuated ON science, not by a scientist. It was exposed by science.
China bird ancestor "fossils" - does not qualify: perpetuated by non-scientific people looking to make money, exposed by science.
Personally I think we'd have to list almost every existing YEC creationist website (I say "almost" for scientific tentativity, as I am not aware of any that stick to the truth, but it is possible ...). Certainly every one that has a false definition of evolution or that portrays evolution incorrectly is a fraud.
This is where you blame the publishing companies. Then I ask, how many scientists were demanding the "truth" be taught in "science" texts? How many were demanding that these hoaxes/lies/frauds were no longer taught??
Almost immediately.
How many creationists call for revision of creationist literature that is shown to be false and full of misinformation and lies?
None, as far as I can tell. Can you tell me why that is? Why do so many creationists seem to be so totally uninterested in the "truth" that the ignore evidence and republish known falsehoods?
And so I would go further and say that every Creationist website that portrays these items as examples of science hoaxes are themselves perpetuating a hoax, because that is known to be false information: science did not create these hoaxes, and it exposed the false information.
And I would list any creationist site that continues to post any one of the PRATT's posted on
Talk Origins PRATT list - An Index to Creationist Claims is perpetuating a hoax by reprinting false information, information that a little bit of research on google would show to be ludicrous falsehoods designed to fool the gullible into believing untruths ...
Then I ask, how many scientists were demanding the "truth" be taught in "science" texts?
And how many creationists clamored then or now for the "truth" to be taught in science texts? Or do you even know what the "truth" is? ... I'll give you a starting hint: the earth is old, very very very old ...
... and give all the evolutionary hoaxes a pass. ...
Care to make a list of any others? That is the purpose of this thread -- you list the scientific frauds and hoaxes and we list the creationist ones ... so far there have been way more creationist frauds and hoaxes listed ... probably because there are way more creationist frauds and hoaxes ... if not, then you need to set the record straight. Good luck with that.
As usual, you bash creationism and give all the evolutionary hoaxes a pass.
Curiously I am happy to list any scientific hoaxes and frauds -- all you have to do is provide the information here. It is a simple task ... but don't whine to me that the evidence to date shows that creationist frauds and hoaxes out number scientific ones by over 100 to 1 ... you should go clean your own house first of mud and muck before complaining about a little dust ....
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