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Author Topic:   “Rapid Evolution” Method Found in Eyeless Fish
Dr Adequate
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Message 3 of 27 (736151)
09-04-2014 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Bojan
09-04-2014 8:47 AM


We were presented with this picture of small fish A. Mexicanus tetra, which is able to switch from normal appearance to cave-adapted in few generations.
It is argued by creationists that such cases prove that evolution is not able to make big changes and adaptations, and all information is already included in genome; the phenotype just switches as required.
Well, first of all I'd like to see some kind of evidence for this switching mechanism, rather than it being caused by mutation and selection. If the switching mechanism existed, wouldn't it happen after one generation, after the first generation of fish spent a lifetime in the dark? Or indeed within one generation, like tanning? Instead, you say "a few" generations. How few?
In the second place, even if this mechanism exists, there's a huge logic fail there from the word "prove" onward. It's like saying: "John often walks to the shop on the corner and back, it takes him 10 minutes. Such cases prove that all journeys are short, and that no-one takes long transatlantic flights on so-called "planes" as you guys claim". But the existence of one mechanism to move short distances does not prove that there is not another mechanism to move long distances.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 7 of 27 (736157)
09-04-2014 12:14 PM
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09-04-2014 11:46 AM


Re: switching for fun and reproduction.
Lots of fish do it. Clownfish change from male to female and selectively; there is only one female in a colony and all the rest are males. When the female dies the most dominate male changes into a female. Wrasses move in the opposite direction. In neither case does it take even a generation.
Well that is phenotypic plasticity, like me tanning. But in the case of the OP, where it takes "a few generations" we have something different on our hands.

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Message 16 of 27 (736219)
09-05-2014 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Bojan
09-04-2014 12:30 PM


Well, the article doesn't say, but it seems like it's within few generations, or less.
A few or less?
Hmm, if I remember my approximate math, few - less = not very many, and certainly < quite a lot.
This is not as quantitative as I'd like.
It seems hard to analyze the situation when the numbers are so vague.

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