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Coyote Member (Idle past 2127 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Some good definitions, as used in physics, can be found: Here.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The attitude of science itself proclaims to be progressive in it's conclusions, along with the rate of discovery, so it really does not need "righteous defenders of the faith"who call others ignorant and delusional. It seems to me that it's legitimate to call ignorant and delusional people ignorant and delusional, just as it's OK to call purple things purple.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Since I heard of evolution, the time periods for the beginning of our world and the universe have been increasing at an exponential rate ... No. Perhaps you shouldn't base your arguments on stuff that you've made up.
It won't be long before all those who hold on to today's theories will be old fashioned, delusional and so wrong. Not long, eh? Well, perhaps you would like to put money on it. How much will you bet that in a year's time, the scientific consensus on, let us say the age of the Earth, will have changed by more than, let us say 20% ?
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3413 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
So the topic has invited some clarification or insight into the nature of the universe.
So to be able to contribute, you must have done your own research.However, if you have not and are just reflecting the thoughts and opinions of others, the popular material that's already out there, then you have nothing to say except whatever is fashionable and accepted. I am fairly certain that "anything outside the box is delusional" is not really science, but I could be wrong. maybe it is a cult that needs trumpet blowers, warning of the invasion of thoughts outside the fortress.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2127 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
So to be able to contribute, you must have done your own research.
And some of us have done our own research. (Have you?)However, if you have not and are just reflecting the thoughts and opinions of others, the popular material that's already out there, then you have nothing to say except whatever is fashionable and accepted. Half my grad school study was in the fields of fossil man and human osteology. The other half was archaeology. I notice you won't answer questions as to when modern humans originated. I am willing to bet that's because you think it was about 6,000 years ago, but won't say so. We have evidence from both fossil man and archaeology to show that the 6,000 year scenario is false. Care to present your evidence, and let us present ours? Or are you just going to hide behind phony math and obfuscation, and continue to ignore what we post in return?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
So the topic has invited some clarification or insight into the nature of the universe. So to be able to contribute, you must have done your own research. However, if you have not and are just reflecting the thoughts and opinions of others, the popular material that's already out there, then you have nothing to say except whatever is fashionable and accepted. Interesting. Have you yourself in fact conducted any scientific research, or are you just here to parrot things you've heard other creationists saying?
I am fairly certain that "anything outside the box is delusional" is not really science I am fairly certain that it's not really what anyone said, either, and that anyone who pretends it is would be a god-damned liar and a fool. --- Now, about that bet? Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is? Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3413 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
"god damned liar and a fool" are religious terms, and not science, the very thing you claim to uphold?
Are we talking in a scientific community or in a cult?
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3413 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
"Fossils" in your own belief system are not significant when it comes to the age of the universe.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
"god damned liar and a fool" are religious terms, and not science, the very thing you claim to uphold? Are we talking in a scientific community or in a cult? One does not have to be a member of a cult to call a liar a liar and a fool a fool. Normal people know this and do not need to have it explained to them. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2127 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
"Fossils" in your own belief system are not significant when it comes to the age of the universe. Your response makes no sense. In that, it follows most of your posts. Would you care to try again?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3413 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
The thread topic in part deals with the age or beginnings of the universe, in your realm of thought fossils would have been very rare at the time.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2127 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
The thread topic in part deals with the age or beginnings of the universe, in your realm of thought fossils would have been very rare at the time. Not necessarily. I suspect that in your cosmogony the age of modern humans and the universe are the same, ca. 6,000 years ago. So, fossils would have been available from the beginning.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 306 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The thread topic in part deals with the age or beginnings of the universe ... Whereas your first post on this thread dealt in part with the age of the Earth. (And was stupid as all fuck, but I think that that point has been established, let's not flog a dead horse.) So I guess Coyote thought he'd reply to you about the stuff that you were talking about.
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3413 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
I know what you don't consider stupid, it's what you have been exposed to, and not by a small measure either.
The amount of info that we have personally found to confirm or add to modern theories is practically zero, it has all been handed down to us, from childhood. So "stupid" is anything outside of these perimeters. The evidence for modern theories comes from having a system of thought and attitude, one which requires intellectual codependency, all subject to some peer reviewed material handed down to us. Who are these peers anyway? Are they superior in intellect? A system of thought can have all its teachings backed up to each other so that nothing can squeeze in, and yet the entire thing could be false without anybody seeing it. Religions work like that. It is not that there are no obvious flaws, but that any opposition to it is rejected by the adherents. It works like this, - topic "A" has a problem. But it can't be wrong because B and C support it.Then what if B has a problem? - but it has already been established by A and C so that B is not wrong. What if A B and C are wrong? - its not possible, because it has taken us centuries to reach these conclusions and how could the majority be wrong after all this time and research? |
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Colbard Member (Idle past 3413 days) Posts: 300 From: Australia Joined: |
Maths can be used to describe or make a model of anything. Say for instance a toilet roll, it can even account for its printed patterns using fractals.
Mathematics is like clay, it can be molded. In describing the universe and the BB, things are squeezed, compressed, expanded, warped, inverted, diminished, exploded, segregated. Every process takes place, and all of these processes can be derived mathematically, but it does not prove the case at all, rather it just shows that if you have notion, and work hard with maths ans physics, and theories, then you can achieve a model that will convince many. But somewhere in this tower is a brick that does not fit, a brick in a crucial place that renders the whole structure false. It will stand for a while until someone finds the flaw. And in modern science, the very founders of certain theories have had to go back on their word, even while the world continues to believe and work with the theory.
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