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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Its sad that you state this so casually. Jesus was simply wrong. We've learned quite a bit more than Jesus could have possibly knownSaying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: In my belief, Jesus is eternal and has thus lived (and lives) a lot longer than the rest of us humanoids. Perhaps an argument can be made between you and I that Jesus was jess human for 33 years...in which case you may have a point, but I believe that His Father was an excellent teacher and that Jesus while on earth was a brilliant thinker. After all, even Solomon had a lot of wisdom, and Solomon is still daid. Why should Jesus know all the things we have learned over the last 2000 years?Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Show me what scripture you mean for your example. Also keep in mind that even if what you say is true and that human authors were simply interpreting a "God character" with their own vain imaginations, the God character is quite different in NT writings. I see no fumbling, learning God there. Your entire philosophy as to who God is, whether or not it matters, what responsibility humans now have, and what reality suggests that we use to better understand ourselves and apply to our lives is eccentric. I personally think it was all those Jews you grew up with. I grew up quite close to a large Jewish family that had nine kids. They were always funnin me about the plastic Jesus on the dashboard. They believed that humans had a responsibility to try and do whats best in life...a task that we ourselves must figure out. It sounded really similar to your own personal philosophy. In the Bible the God character does not know what is going on and whether or not what She has heard is true and so goes on walkabout to find out. If you are a Cradle Creedal Christian, however...as you claim, you are ignoring the part of the Creed that shows who Jesus is now. He is not simply the carpenters son long dead.
...one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds (ons), Light of Light, very God of very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father I fear that your Jewish inspired upbringing coupled with the christian boarding school that required you to employ critical thinking led you to conclude that Jesus is nothing greater than you or I.
If God does not know what is going on then why should anyone expect Jesus to know what we have learned over the last 2000 years? If God (or the God character) does not know what is going on, where does the authority of the charge that compels us to inspire and live our own lives to the best of our ability and to acknowledge when we error, repent, and redirect our path come from? I will agree that the charge is sound. What I won't easily accept is that GOD if GOD exists is unknowable and that humans are left entirely on our own in this realm and time that we live in. I also disagree with the minimization of the significance of Jesus which you preach. Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Did it ever occur to you that we are the content of the source? We are created in the image of GOD. We cant simply make up whatever source we choose. Well...we can but it is unadvisable. That charge would still be valid whether it came from God or Jesus or Satan or Buddha or Mencius or Confucius or Coyote or Raven or Ganesha or Isis or ... It is the content that is important, not the source.Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
vimesey writes: The Bible is not in the fantasy section, however. If anything, the Bible accurately describes human nature (and psychology) as well as any modern theory. He(Tolkien) was a superb storyteller though - not many authors invent a coherent language with its own alphabet to underpin their work. You will find his work, however, in the fantasy section and not the history section. But I won't try and define where the Bible *should* fit in any bookstore. You and I will take from it what we want."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
AZPaul3 writes: Humans themselves are faulty constructs. Otherwise, global warming and failure to address it never would have happened.(The failure to address it part, anyway) I suppose that some wag somewhere will attempt to blame God for global warming. It is easy to point the finger away from ourselves. Your bible is a faulty human construct. Edited by Phat, : spelling"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Fire was never a problem for anything until humans evolved enough to abuse it and make gunpowder, etc. If you birthed a kid who turned out destructive despite your best efforts of parenting, should we blame you?
And don't give me that old canard that God by definition should be responsible for fixing everything that inconveniences or hurts humans. Humans manage to hurt/kill themselves. And it is we who have managed to accelerate global warming into a possible genocidal event. God may or may not exist but there will again come a time when many people will pray that He does. Watch us botch our financial system next. It's already happening. AddbyEdit: The "Dusty Old Book" mentions that there will come a time when people cannot buy nor sell without the mark. It is beginning to look like this will play out in some form. Perhaps we need to dust off that book and reread it. Edited by Phat, : added comment"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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