Not to mention that the 'destroyed' meant in the prophecy means physical destruction. Unless of course we abandon literalism.Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)
Actually, I think the old fortress and city of Tyre was on that rock and did get destroyed. Of course, there is a city of Tyre, but my recollection from history is that the rocky area was where the king and everyone took refufe (city walls) and for a long time no one could penetrate the fortress but that someone came up with bright idea of building a land bridge out to it, and eventually conquered it so thoroughly, that it never came back.
Please substantiate your claims jar according to the rules. You suggested Alexander the Great did not really destroy Tyre. You offer no qualifications or elaboration, and I am calling your bluff. Back it up or retract it.
The accounts I have read are that the mainland of Tyre was first laid waste as it was used to help build the land-bridge, so much as that in some places it was scraped down to the rock as the Macedonians searched for material to load into the sea to fill it.
Then, when the fortress of Tyre fell, Alexander's army trampled it, killing thousands and selling thousands into slavery, and that the Pheonecian empire never recovered.
But you made your claim first. Please back it up, per the rules, or retract it.
I asked for some substantiation and got next to nothing. My understanding stands. Alexander laid siege for months, eventually broke through, slaughtered thousands of the men of the city and sold thousands into slavery; apparently destroyed mainland Tyre and threw it into the sea, etc,...
"The Roman levels of Tyre are of such importance that every effort has been made to preserve them. To determine the exact location of eariler Phoenician and Canaanite levels soundings are being made throughout the excavated areas. Roman Tyre thus has been preserved for present and future generations to see and to admire." http://tyros.leb.net/tyre/
pray tell me, what of this part of the prophecy, that Tyre shall never be rebuilt?
And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be [a place] to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken [it], saith the Lord GOD.
(from Jar's message early on in the thread--number 10?)
as you well know, there is still a Tyre. And notice how it says that the whole of Tyre will be destroyed, not just this specific building or that section. All of Tyre. And that none of Tyre will be rebuilt. And you know something, there's a city called Tyre sitting on top of its old stomping grounds.
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My understanding stands. Alexander laid siege for months, eventually broke through, slaughtered thousands of the men of the city and sold thousands into slavery; apparently destroyed mainland Tyre and threw it into the sea, etc,...
Which is it, randman? Was Tyre destroyed through physical leveling (as you say in Message 65 and earlier posts) or annexation (as you say in Message 56)?
First of all, I would like to thank the banned spammer for reopening this topic. While our friend Lithodid-Man, a college professor from Alaska, is long gone, I was able to read some of the conversation and of course it spurred me into some replies.
Unfortunately, if you do live in this world, it is very likely you will eventually be confronted with evidence that refutes many widely held Christian belifes, ones like Young Earth or that there was a Great Worldwide Flood. This seems to lead to one of several reactions: 1)the person realizes that the actuality of such beliefs does not have anything to do with GOD or a belief in GOD and moves on. 2)the person abandons their Faith totally. 3)they move into a creative stance where they make up a series of possible scenarios that explain whatever troupling fact is presented to them without even considering that many of their mythical scenarios are mutually exclusive. 4)they say "Yes none of the evidence supports my beliefs but I will continue believing them anyway. Of those options, the first and fourth seem to happen less often than the second or third.
So, what steps should Christians take to prevent options 2 & 3?
Abandoning ones faith often stems from an all or nothing mentality. As I have said before, I learn more from arguments which I disagree with than I do from arguments and positions that I agree with.
Im quite certain that I believe without evidence. The only evidence I have is my subjective beliefs.
Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo
One of the major purposes of debate is to help you hone your arguments. Yours are pretty bad. They can use all the honing they can get.~Ringo