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Author Topic:   The 50-50-50-50-50 tax and economic plan.
New Cat's Eye
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Message 57 of 75 (746117)
01-02-2015 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
03-01-2012 1:47 PM


Would I be able to opt-out?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 61 of 75 (746671)
01-09-2015 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by RAZD
01-08-2015 5:48 PM


Re: 50-50 for you and 50-50 for me (Chico Marx)
Do you want to opt out of society?
I meant could I opt out of this program?
Like, can I decline the free money and then not have to pay the taxes?
Consider the proposition that half of what you make is due to your individual effort and half of it is due to the socio-economic society you live in.
I don't accept that.
If I put in zero effort, I'd make less than half of what I make now.
Contributing half your earnings (via taxes) to build a happy, well educated and healthy society means that you get to live in a society with happy, well educated and healthy people.
That's just you assuming your conclusion that this program would work well.
Part of the pursuit of happiness is that you need a happy environment to live in yes?
I dunno.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 63 of 75 (746685)
01-09-2015 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by RAZD
01-09-2015 10:02 AM


Re: 50-50 for you and 50-50 for me (Chico Marx)
So this is a thinly veiled "No, you wouldn't be able to opt out.", right?
Can you feasibly opt out of all the benefits provided by taxes?
Of course not. But its a yes or no question, RAZD. Apparently one that you cannot answer.
How about this: Can I opt out of the free money for a reduction in my income tax?
Keep the $50 a day and just charge me, say, 10% on taxes or something?
Or is that just totally disallowed?
So you are quibbling about the proportion not the basic concept.
Yeah, its not 50/50. I'm thinking more like 5/95.
Curiously I don't think you fully take into consideration how much your salary is dependent on the society and economic structure that surrounds you, from the roads you travel every day to the businesses you interact with.
But I've helped pay for that stuff.
And all that stuff would still be there even if I put in zero effort and hadn't helped pay for it.
They don't magically grant me a salary by existing.
So I'm still required to put in most of the effort to get where I am.
Can you earn that salary all on your own in total seclusion with no communication other than voice and no transportation other than walking? Really?
Doesn't matter. Without my effort, I wouldn't be anywhere near where I am now.
The existence of the infrastructure allows me to put in the effort, it doesn't grant me the benefits of my effort.
Actually it is me looking at other countries that provide more social assistance to all people and the happiness and education level of the people there compared to the US.
And assuming it would work here.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 66 of 75 (746724)
01-09-2015 12:00 PM
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01-09-2015 11:06 AM


Re: 50-50 for you and 50-50 for me (Chico Marx)
What you already get is your taxes reduced by $50.
So: "No, you cannot opt out in any way".
Got it.
Which is just your opinion.
I responded to your opinion with my opinion.
So yes you owe society more than a measly 5% of your value.
Which is just your opinion.
Why not?
I didn't say it wouldn't.
I was just pointing out that you are assuming that it would.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 67 of 75 (746728)
01-09-2015 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by ringo
01-09-2015 11:17 AM


Re: 50-50 for you and 50-50 for me (Chico Marx)
You could always give the free money to charity.
So could they.

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