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Where? Quote it and show how it applies ...Curiously what I see is that he said your first post sucked, not that you sucked.If I said that your third post was no better than your first post ... is that an ad hominem? Perhaps your approach is the problem? You lay down some questionable statements, insist they are true, claim that you don't need to substantiate them, and then whine when somebody says your post sucks. Irrelevant -- red herrings that don't really address the issue of police shooting blacks in higher proportion than whites and more importantly, that don't address the issue of subconscious racism ...Discussions on this forum are focused on topics not free for alls (there is one forum for that, this isn't it). The first post (Message 1) defines the topic. You mean the system that keeps young black people poor, undereducated, imprisoned for minor misdemeanors, vilified by pompous self-righteous bloviating pundits, the system that tries to take away their rights and the ability to vote, the system that says you can have a demeaning job for less than minimum wage and grovel to keep it ... that system?Gosh I don't know. Maybe you should start a new topic to discuss that ...Enjoy

Actually it is you that claim his words are golden manna, so the rules of debate here are that you substantiate your claim by quotes. The link is valid only for verification purposes. Forum Guidelines

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I’ve been called many names this year. All I have done was told a rebellious nation to ‘Man up’ (Hold yourself accountable) take Responsibility for what you do & turn from your wicked ways. I have stuck to God’s plan for my life in 2014; & I’m going to stick to His plan for 2015. God has set my face like a flint. ...

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... as a knucklehead ...?Ah another self appointed pundit that thinks he has all the answers, not because he has done any kind of scientific study of the problems based on facts and objective empirical evidence, but because he has been "given" a plan ... but hey, that's just my opinion from reading a small sample.Perhaps you can provide something of better substance ... some meat instead of marshmallow fluff. And I like facts. Especially when substantiated with proper references so they can be verified.Enjoy

Long long ago and far far away I had a job doing economic and statistical surveys prior to building cable systems. On such survey looked at two small towns in South Carolina just south of Charlotte NC. As you went into the town there was a billboard saying "Nigger don't let the sun set on you here!" and signed by the Sheriff.Not too long afterwards we learned that the President had not just lied but condoned payoffs and secret monitoring of any groups concerned with supporting equal rights for blacks or opposition to his policies. In Philadelphia the police dropped a fire bomb on row houses to burn out blacks. Police used tear gas and fire hoses and attach dogs to break up peaceful demonstrations.All over the US police did not just deny equal rights for blacks but actively supported discrimination and oppression.To not distrust the police, local, state and national governments when it comes to human rights would simply be stupid and willfully ignorant.

There. Right there. From the link you provided. Is it deliberate? If you can't stand facts. Why can't you do your own homework as I have done?I don't have too much time in the day to cut and paste link after link for you. Especially when anything I've said thus far has been attacked.That demonstrates an apparent bigotry. I could care less about my eloquence. I haven't claimed eloquence here.What I am concerned about is your readiness to dismiss facts because they don't fit a seeming induced bias.That is what concerns me the most.Anytime you see something you disagree with, it is termed, how do you guys always put it???? Yep, that's it. Irrelevant. That's a dead horse. Take a walk down in Jamaica, Queens some time and tell me if your tune doesn't change. Or you can even try Detroit. Or South Philly. Or the Bronx, Brooklyn or Suffolk, VA.Go ahead and take a leisurely jaunt down through any one of those areas. Your eyes will open up.And in case you must know, I have. It is not nice. And a pile of it is brought upon them by themselves. Regardless of color or creed.I've seen all shades of skin color in the same self-made predicament.Time to get off the high hobby horse and implore people to take care of themselves, all by themselves.Stop the liberal shit talk.Edited by Eddie the Head, : Hit the insert button instead of the backspace button. Oops.

A note has been posted to Report Discussion Problems Here 4.0 about this thread. It didn't mention any specific issues, so I'm not sure where the concern lies. I'll look in on this thread periodically and call attention to any Forum Guidelines issues I happen to notice, like this one: The rationale for rule 10 (which needs better wording, but which at present says, "The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.") is to prevent discussion from becoming personal. Once people become emotional or defensive or feel insulted then the quality of debate suffers.In the opinion of this moderator there is not much difference between "Your argument sucks" and "You suck." Certainly the latter is more directly personal, but our opinions and arguments are direct extensions of ourselves, and ad hominem attacks on them are felt very personally. They're also inconsistent with rule 4 requiring "evidence and reasoned argumentation."

When you start an education you have nowhere to go but up ... when you start an entry level job you have nowhere to go but up ...To point out that the quality of your posting could be improved? The fact that you take it personally is more of a perception problem than it actually being an insult imho. Bit of a chip on the shoulder kind of thing. So at best it is a pretty sketchy claim imho, more subjective than any real objective evidence, but I'll let it pass if you stop whining about it (see admin comment, Message 395). Ah, silly me, when I make a post I do my homework and I use links and quotes to support my comments, rather than ask other people to verify it on their own. What I don't need is to do my homework AND try to redo your homework to figure out what your point is.Curiously, providing the content with supporting links, not bare links, is what the forum guidelines say you should do. You don't just drop names and expect the other person to try to figure out what you mean.So I still haven't seen you provide a quote from your purported authority that shows anything other than the appeal to authority fallacy argument ... perhaps you can do that when you start a new thread. There's that chip on the shoulder attitude again. And whining.Curiously I've left most of your comments untouched, because -- again -- they are not relevant to the topic. Still not on topic and so still irrelevant to the topic. Or because they are not relevant to the topic. Start a new thread if you want to discuss it. Let's see what you've got: Go to Proposed New Topics to post new topics.That isn't avoidance, it is keeping the discussion on this thread to the topic of this thread.If you want to talk about the topic, start at Message 1, take the test and discuss, with evidence. Sounds like the premise for an interesting thread, which you would, of course, support with actual facts on how this would be accomplished. Is that intended as a fact or an ad hominem?EnjoyEdited by RAZD, : No reason given.Edited by RAZD, : ..Edited by RAZD, : ...

What do you think of the remark that was made by a Missouri State Senator? Missouri lawmaker hit for 'white privilege' remarks on social media? Granted my link was from Faux News, so a grain of salt may be in order...but overall, my opinion and observation has been that "White Privilege" remarks are controversial. Personally, as you know, I've never liked the idea of being responsible for past privilege. Edited by Phat, : spelling

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Its my hot body, I'll do what I want So? I haven't relieved Garner of guilt. He obviously resisted arrest.But is that really something that deserves death? And from what, selling untaxed cigarettes?How much money in taxes did the state loose because of his tax avoidance?How much money in taxes did the state spend in this case?They spent a bunch of taxes and killed a guy, but hey, at least we can rest assured that less cigarettes are being sold without being taxed.Phew. Pity. Wow, are you really afraid of black people taking over? That's hilarious. I dunno, why are you listening to it? Or, how else are you so familiar with it? I don't listen to Lil Wayne's music.I heard a portion of one song but I couldn't understand what he was saying. Manson had a more hand-on approach that allowed him to directly control his cult, and that adds more culpability. No, but they might ought to be indicted every time they kill a person.Maybe not every single time, but that should be determined by a third party and not by themselves. Less absurd that allowing them to grade their own homework. They're policing themselves and getting away with murder. That shit needs to stop.Given that they're allowed to have a badge, maybe we should hold them to a higher standard. Actually, most of it probably goes on in the prosecutors office before the courtroom is even considered.The grand jury system is incredibly corrupt and needs to be changed. I dunno, turn off the TV. I couldn't care less about the particular individuals in these cases.But I do have a problem with the grand jury system. Nah, I don't see it the same way. I don't have a problem with the police doing their jobs, but they need to calm down and stop killing people.Garner resisted arrest, but he did not deserve to be choked out.The police have a problem with people not respecting their authoritah, and they are killing people because they have contempt for cops.Neither of those things deserve the death penalty.

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The only claim I have made is that everybody, including police officers, has inherent traces of racism. We have evolved an us-versus-them mentality that no amount of rational thinking can completely eliminate.

And denying that fact, and how it plays out in social interactions, is not going to improve the situation.Subtle pervasive racism is a fact, as the test shows, and as other evidence of bias in hirings, housing, house mortgages and other loans, etc etc etc.Saying things like "man up" and or conservative pap lines like "Time to get off the high hobby horse and implore people to take care of themselves, all by themselves." don't address the problem and thus will never be able to solve it. Blaming people for being born into oppressive poverty ghettos doesn't address the problem and will not be able to solve it either.The whole purpose of the GOP blame the poor program is to delude low income white people to vote for them by giving them someone to look down on as the cause of their economic condition.Why has economic recovery not benefited the lower classes, and why is it actually negative in the poorest neighborhoods? Because "trickle down" is voodoo economics and a false model of how an economy grows.Recovery is better for middle and lower classes where minimum wages are higher. Why? because economic growth trickles up.All we need to do is compare growth in states that raised their minimum wages -- even when those wages are still below a living wage -- to states that don't.You have two years to collect data before the next election and you then need to make an informed decision based on facts and evidence rather than hype, hyperbole and histrionics.Racism is lower when there is more economic equality and more basic respect for workers. That means a living minimum wage, mandatory overtime for all workers working more than 40 hours/week and the freedom to form unions. Historical data supports economic growth with a strong middle class and a solid base lower income class.Universal health care also benefits the economy because healthy workers work better and don't have to take time off. It would be even more apparent with single payer universal healthcare as seen in other countries than the republican "obama\romney" care we have.If you want to get rid of subtle pervasive racism you have to change society as a whole, not just the ghettos.Enjoy

Yes, you keep saying that and it's pernicious nonsense. You can't even prove this general statement, let alone prove it for any class of people or any particular individual, but it's utterly meaningless and even dangerous to make such a broad statement about a whole class of people such as the police -- it's no better than the racism itself which judges a whole class of people. We have NO evidence in any of the cases discussed that racism had any part in it, and if you are just going to assume, based on a typical idiot psychological profile type test, that it must be there you are putting people in danger. If those protests and riots are based on such pernicious assumptions God help us and God help them.That's like saying we all have lust in the heart, therefore we could accuse any man of rape just for looking at a woman. You can't hold people responsible for what's in their minds or you might as well just disband the police and every civil institution and go for total anarchy.OR, we could treat the whole miserable mess as meaningless: If we all have racist inclinations, and maybe it's so to some extent, though I doubt this generalization too, certainly doubt its usefulness (because the assumption is that racism is irrational and wrong by definition, but I think some prejudices have at least a degree of reality base) --if we do then all races do, which we know anyway, and blacks do too, as Eddie the Head was arguing, and if that's the case then maybe Michael Brown charged Darren Wilson because he was white, and maybe Garner resisted arrest because the cops were white. Where are you with your theory then?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You keep saying that and then you go into irrelevant details. I'm saying that dogs naturally have four legs and you're pointing to one or two who lost a leg in an accident. If you want to show that dogs don't naturally have four legs, go ahead and do that.

Well, there you have it, the whole Marxist mess of false analysis in a nutshell. Of course. Political Correctness came out of Cultural Marxism, which is the source of this ridiculous excuse for a test that you take as reality. It's nothing but typical Marxist finger-pointing at a typical Marxist notion of an oppressor class, Oh deliver us from this false doctrine that has been destroying societies ever since it was invented. You then caricature the conservative point of view by typical stupid Marxist theory that brands whole classes of people (it's Marxism itself that promotes racism and classism) and you want us to make public policy based on this stupidity.Oh blah blah blah economic inequality is all the fault of the "oppressor class." No, it's the fault of cultural influences that we could start to do something about if we stopped pointing the finger at nebulous xternal forces and dealt with the realities of the poverty mentality wherever we find it, did more to educate people out of it and that sort of thing. It would also help if somehow strong community leaders could be encouraged to grow up within their own communities to make a difference about the crime mentality that is one big reason poor communities keep failing. Learn a little basic moral truth: Thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not commit murder, Thou shalt not covet what your neighbor has, Thou shalt not bear false witness, tell lies about anybody or any event, etc etc. etc. God rewards those who live by His rules. Crime and sin only keep begetting the problems you want to solve. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

You haven't proved that the prevalence of racism is on a par with dogs having four legs, and again, the idea of holding people responsible for unconscious racism is pernicious stupidity and dangerous for society.