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Phat
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Message 1 of 13 (746004)
12-30-2014 1:20 PM


This is an interesting article! Scientists Discover That Drunk Birds Sing Like Drunks
The scientists used zebra finches. The finches long have been used as a model to study human vocal learning, or how people learn to communicate using language...The researcher was a scientist,Christopher Olson and his colleagues at Oregon Health and Science University .
NPR writes:
Listen to the audio, and you'll hear that the finches' song gets a bit quieter and just a little slurred, or as Olson puts it, "a bit less organized in their sound production" like a roommate calling from a bar to get a ride home.
In the future, Olson wants to find out whether alcohol affects not just how birds sing but how they learn new songs like a roommate partying so late he's still drunk in class the next morning.
That seems true. Around where I live, the birds sing pretty much the same songs...or patterns, anyway.
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Message 2 of 13 (746005)
12-30-2014 1:30 PM


Thread Moved from Is It Science? Forum
I put this in Is It Science by mistake, thus moved it back over here for another admin to critique and hopefully promote.
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Message 3 of 13 (746006)
12-31-2014 7:35 AM
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12-30-2014 1:20 PM


Unless there's something about this where opinions would break down along lines related to the creation/evolution debate, this seems better suited for Coffee House, or if there's some link to creation/evolution then it could go in Creation/Evolution In The News.

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Message 4 of 13 (746008)
12-31-2014 8:11 AM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Drunk Birds thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

  
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Message 5 of 13 (746033)
12-31-2014 1:52 PM
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12-30-2014 1:20 PM


And This Means....?
I don't understand the topic.
What is the relevance to human language abilities and human language learning? I would expect alcohol consumption to impair most of what the birds do regardless of how similar or dissimilar it is to what humans do. I also don't see how alcohol impairing two functions, one in a bid and one in a human, is evidence that these functions are in any way similar or analogous — it is just evidence that both functions are susceptible to the effects of alcohol, but this seems true for most functions for most creatures.
In other words: animals can get drunk too. So what?
I don't think it tells us much of anything.
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Message 6 of 13 (746118)
01-02-2015 4:19 PM
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Re: And This Means....?
I would expect alcohol consumption to impair
What do you mean impair? I know I used to sing better, meet prettier girls, and fight better after a single guzzle of 'Early Times'.

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Message 7 of 13 (746119)
01-02-2015 4:39 PM
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Re: And This Means....?
I think he meant 'empower' ... but his typing was slurred ...

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Message 8 of 13 (746414)
01-06-2015 3:04 PM
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I sometimes allow my African grey parrot a sip or two or three of beer.
He really likes a good lager!

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Message 9 of 13 (746416)
01-06-2015 3:37 PM
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When I lived on Hilton Head Island we had a large Pyracantha in the entrance and when the berries ripened and fell the Cedar Waxwings would gorge themselves and get so drunk they could barely fly.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 10 of 13 (746420)
01-06-2015 4:37 PM
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does
does he do the lager stagger?
(is that a lager day stint?)
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Message 11 of 13 (746422)
01-06-2015 4:52 PM
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we had a large cherry tree in MI and not just the Cedar Waxwings, but squirrels would get so drunk they couldn't stay on top of the branches
And monkeys have learned to brew their own ...

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Message 12 of 13 (746423)
01-06-2015 5:00 PM
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Re: does
All I know is every time I pop a brew that bird carries on until I give him
some!!! It is hilarious.

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Message 13 of 13 (746426)
01-06-2015 5:04 PM
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Re: does
African grey parrots are awesome!

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