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Author Topic:   Do We NEED God?
jar
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Message 10 of 224 (673463)
09-19-2012 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Phat
09-19-2012 2:51 PM


Re: Why Jonny Why?
We need God because we are either unable or unwilling to lay aside our own wants and desires enough to solve the major problems of the world.
And you have evidence of some God that makes people able and willing to lay aside their own wants and desires enough to solve the major problems of the world?

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jar
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Message 13 of 224 (673468)
09-19-2012 3:09 PM
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09-19-2012 3:00 PM


Re: Questions, Solutions, and Problems
Does you answer have anything to do with the question?
Do you have evidence of some God that makes people able and willing to lay aside their own wants and desires enough to solve the major problems of the world?
If humans will decide to change once things get so bad that they have no choice is there any need of a God?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 28 of 224 (673692)
09-21-2012 2:03 PM
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09-21-2012 1:59 PM


Re: Which God to Choose...
Would you settle for a benign dictator that cure diabetes, guarantees a comfortable retirement, passes a law that new folk can't take YOUR job, provides four weeks of cost free vacation annually, puts on arousing feel good get togethers and parties?

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jar
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Message 38 of 224 (673959)
09-25-2012 9:47 AM
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09-25-2012 9:38 AM


Re: Assuming God exists is the basis of my faith
Phat writes:
Thus I would argue that for me it is important to have confidence and trust that God is interactive and approachable. Otherwise what good is He?
Do you see what is reveled in that paragraph?
You define your god in terms of what benefit that god would provide to YOU.

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jar
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Message 56 of 224 (674597)
09-30-2012 7:14 PM
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09-30-2012 7:03 PM


Re: Questions, Solutions, and Problems
You have never shown me how "communion" is possible.

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jar
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Message 62 of 224 (674751)
10-02-2012 3:43 PM
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10-02-2012 2:37 PM


Re: Questions, Solutions, and Problems
How would that have anything to do with communion with god?
Did you just say "Based on the description of the character of Jesus, in the Bible, can you imagine how He might respond to a given everyday situation that we humans face now?" Isn't that an example of me "communion" with me?

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jar
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Message 66 of 224 (674808)
10-03-2012 9:14 AM
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10-02-2012 11:36 PM


Re: Questions, Solutions, and Problems
How?

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jar
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Message 94 of 224 (715297)
01-03-2014 9:16 AM
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01-03-2014 3:45 AM


Truth?
so to you, truth is relative and not absolute. I understand.
Truth is one of those words that should only be used in very limited circumstances and never used without also including qualifications or out of context.

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jar
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Message 140 of 224 (747191)
01-13-2015 8:37 AM
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01-13-2015 2:44 AM


the Plane, the Plane
Phat writes:
Besides...how do we know God is not involved in natural consequences?
The topic, the topic.
"Do We NEED God?"
No god is needed to explain natural consequences.

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jar
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Message 144 of 224 (747410)
01-15-2015 9:11 AM
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01-15-2015 6:38 AM


Re: the Plane, the Plane
Phat writes:
Sometimes, jar...you don't make sense. To a believer, the very idea of logic, reason, and reality insist upon communion with God. The Holy Spirit inspires us.
Its not just air that we inhale.
But Phat, I am a believer. The issue is unrelated to anyone's beliefs, it is (as it was framed by the member that started the thread) "Do we need God?"
The honest answer is that so far there is absolutely no evidence that any GOD, God or god is needed.
And what exactly do we inhale other than air?
How does any Holy Spirit inspire anyone?

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jar
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Message 148 of 224 (747489)
01-15-2015 2:05 PM
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01-15-2015 1:51 PM


Re: How does the Holy Spirit inspire anyone?
Phat, what you believe has nothing to do with reality.
Phat writes:
I believe that life itself is made possible by God and through God.
But what does that even mean?
You may believe that is true but there are far more folk living that believe that life is not made possible through God or by God.
You claim we inhale SPIRIT, but what the hell does that even mean? Where is the evidence? What flavors does SPIRIT come in? How many calories per serving?
It's fine for you to claim that "You NEED God" but that is not the topic. Do you have any evidence that "We NEED God?"

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jar
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Message 169 of 224 (796532)
12-30-2016 8:17 PM
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12-30-2016 7:25 PM


Re: Omni-God
Phat writes:
A human cannot simply put themselves "in Gods place" and understand the responsibilities of the Deity as defined by fallible humans.
That's not what God said Phat. In fact that is exactly opposite of what God said.
quote:
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

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jar
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Message 196 of 224 (796998)
01-09-2017 12:00 PM


Do we need Odin?
Do we need Allah?
Do we need Coyote?
Do we need Thor?
Do we need Athena?
Do we need Venus?
Do we need Ra?
Do we need Ganesha?
Do we need God?

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jar
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Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 204 of 224 (797175)
01-13-2017 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 203 by Tangle
01-13-2017 1:31 PM


Re: Omni-God
That's not what people are taught by religions about their God is it?
That depends on who is doing the teaching. There are some really bad teachers out there particularly when it comes to stuff like religion.

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 206 of 224 (797186)
01-13-2017 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Tangle
01-13-2017 5:09 PM


Re: Omni-God
Tangle writes:
But god being everywhere and able to do anything is universally taught by Christianity. It's fundamental. Anything less is this very modern idea of a 'lessor god' which is a necessary reaction by intelligent believers to scientific discovery. It just demonstrates the elasticity of belief. Ironically, it evolves.
But that is simply not correct. If you read the Bible stories themselves you find that the Gods depicted in those stories are not everywhere and able to do anything. What you claim is universally taught by Christianity is simply not the case.

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