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Do We NEED God?

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Theodoric
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Message 71 of 224 (675035)
10-05-2012 10:35 AM 		Reply to: Message 70 by Straggler
10-05-2012 6:42 AM

Re: The Responsibility Is Ours, Not Gods.
But when we act unwisely, selfishly and negligently it is down to us.
According to his other thread Phat thinks this behaviour is caused by demons.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Message 130 of 224 (746983)
01-11-2015 10:17 AM 		Reply to: Message 124 by Phat
01-10-2015 7:11 AM

Re: mikey masochist
Based on the logic you gave Mike, would such logic not indicate more of an agnostic position rather than an atheist position?
This shows the ignorance most people have when discussing theism, atheism and agnosticism.
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Agnosticism is not the middle between atheism and theism.
Atheism and theism have to do with belief.
Agnosticism and gnosticism have to do with knowledge.
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I am an agnostic atheist. I have no belief in a god, but I have no knowledge if there is or is not a god. To me that is unknowable.
I would think there are very few atheists that would claim to be gnostic atheists.
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On the theistic side the spectrum we see here would be, I think, Jar and Faith. Jar would probably say he has no knowledge of a god. Therefore, he is an agnostic theist. Faith on the other hand is a gnostic theist. Faith claims knowledge that a god exists.
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I know you like to use the word agnostic as if agnostics are not evil like atheists, but that is the wrong use of the term.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Message 131 of 224 (746984)
01-11-2015 10:18 AM 		Reply to: Message 128 by Stile
01-11-2015 9:39 AM

Re: mikey masochist
A very good clear description of agnostic atheism.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Message 135 of 224 (746999)
01-11-2015 12:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 133 by Stile
01-11-2015 10:57 AM

Re: Definitions
But words have meaning. We shouldn't just give up if people are defining words incorrectly. Phat uses atheist as a pejorative. He thinks calling a nonbeliever an agnostic is in a sense complimenting them. In reality the words have different contexts and are not different degrees on a spectrum.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Message 146 of 224 (747427)
01-15-2015 11:27 AM 		Reply to: Message 143 by Phat
01-15-2015 6:38 AM

Re: the Plane, the Plane
Maybe you could define the term "God". That might help a little.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
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Message 150 of 224 (747522)
01-15-2015 3:53 PM 		Reply to: Message 149 by Phat
01-15-2015 2:13 PM

Re: God by Definition
Not really a definition is it.
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Just states what you think this god does. This "definition" doesn't define what your concept of your god is.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Message 156 of 224 (747604)
01-17-2015 8:50 AM 		Reply to: Message 154 by Phat
01-17-2015 8:21 AM

Re: How does the Holy Spirit inspire anyone?
Well I AM, so does that make me the I AM?
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You really need to stop speaking in gibberish.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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