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Topic: Deflation-gate
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 7 of 466 (748200)
01-23-2015 1:15 PM
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Reply to: Message 6 by Percy
01-23-2015 11:47 AM
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Re: Colts' footballs were not under-inflated
Until the official NFL investigation comes out everything is speculation. Everyone hould relax and wait until the NFL releases the information they have gathered.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Nope 36 balls available for the game. Swapped out regularly. Each team provides own balls. 12 for each team then 12 more as backups
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 89 of 466 (749109)
02-02-2015 10:19 AM
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Reply to: Message 87 by Percy
02-02-2015 8:31 AM
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Re: More Info
That info is from NFL.com More details on the investigation of Patriots' deflated footballs
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 325 of 466 (779482)
03-04-2016 4:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 324 by jar
03-04-2016 10:36 AM
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Re: so why should anyone care about any of this?
If you don't care, don't read and don't comment. We have enough trolls already.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 360 of 466 (780118)
03-11-2016 9:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 359 by jar
03-11-2016 8:46 AM
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Re: Appeals Hearing: Concerns About Phone
Endorsing Trump should be added to your list.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 363 of 466 (780149)
03-11-2016 12:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 362 by NoNukes
03-11-2016 11:55 AM
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Re: Science Fair winner:
We have no idea what the starting PSI was for all the balls at the game, or the ending PSI for all the balls.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 367 of 466 (780274)
03-13-2016 12:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 365 by NoNukes
03-13-2016 10:50 AM
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Re: Science Fair winner:
With respect to the game balls, we do know the pressures of all of the balls as measured by the referees as prior to game time and at half time.
Do we have an actual documented pressure for all the balls before the game? Does such a a document exist or are you just taking the word of the referees that they all were at a certain pressure? I am not sure, but I have never seen anything documenting each balls pressure before the game started. I could be wrong.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 369 of 466 (780281)
03-13-2016 3:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 368 by NoNukes
03-13-2016 2:55 PM
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Re: Science Fair winner:
The pressures of all 24 of the game balls were measured and recorded prior to game time
Maybe you can show where it shows that in the Wells report. I did not see it and neither did NESN. We could be wrong.
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PSI wasn’t recorded before the AFC Championship Game
This is the biggest issue with any data trying to prove the Patriots deflated footballs. Referee Walt Anderson, after being told football pressure could be an issue in the AFC Championship Game, didn’t record his pregame measurements. The Wells report bases all data on the Colts’ footballs being 13 PSI before the game and the Patriots’ footballs being 12.5 based on Anderson’s recollection. If the Patriots’ footballs were a tick under 12.5 PSI or if the Colts’ footballs were a tick over 13 PSI, then it throws off all data. Anderson said he didn’t add or release pressure from the Colts’ footballs. One Colts football measured at 12.95 PSI on one gauge, so it seems extremely unlikely that football began at 13 PSI.
Five Biggest Issues With Evidence Against Patriots In Wells Report - NESN.com The referee's recollection does not equate recording.
All of those measurements were part of the Wells report.
Seemingly not.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 373 of 466 (780285)
03-13-2016 4:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 370 by NoNukes
03-13-2016 4:12 PM
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Re: Science Fair winner:
But even that does not support a statement that we don't know the pressure of the balls before the game.
How do we know the pressures before the game for each ball if they were not recorded? You are going to hang your hat on the refs recollection? They don't even know if the same gauge was used for each ball.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric
Member Posts: 9142 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: 08-15-2005 Member Rating: 3.3
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Message 378 of 466 (780291)
03-13-2016 5:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 374 by NoNukes
03-13-2016 4:43 PM
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Re: Science Fair winner:
You make it sound as I am disputing that there is some sort of evidence. If you look back I said we do not know what the measurements were for each ball. Yes we know what the referee claims to remember, but as I said there is no documentation. The evidence there is is extremely lacking to the point of being almost worthless. The Wells report talks of two gauges also. Do we just accept that they were calibrated to report the same measurements? Do we accept that each ball was measured with the same gauge each time? The NFL's evidence is laughable.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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