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Faith 
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Message 1243 of 1309 (748291)
01-24-2015 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 1242 by jar
01-24-2015 12:38 PM


Re: more bullshit Faith
Sure, if YOU are defining what a Christian is then you don't have to notice when the orthodox Christians are driven out of business and you can content yourself with dismissing us as bigots. Very effective method of bigotry on YOUR part, I congratulate you all.

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Message 1245 of 1309 (748298)
01-24-2015 1:09 PM
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01-24-2015 12:50 PM


Re: more bullshit Faith
I didn't say I'm NOT defining what a Christian is, but it's YOUR definition that turns us into bigots and gets our businesses closed.

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Message 1248 of 1309 (748313)
01-24-2015 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1247 by AZPaul3
01-24-2015 2:30 PM


Re: By Definition
Got it. Enjoy your brave new world, it isn't going to last long.

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Message 1250 of 1309 (748320)
01-24-2015 3:57 PM


multicultural hypocrisy
dup"
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Message 1251 of 1309 (748321)
01-24-2015 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1247 by AZPaul3
01-24-2015 2:30 PM


Multicultural hypocrisy
Do Muslims make wedding cakes? Are there Muslim florists that might be called on to supply a gay wedding? I don't know but Muslims object to gay weddings too, yet I have a sneaking suspicion nobody's going to challenge them. Or if they did refuse to serve a gay wedding we'd never hear about it and nothing legal would ever come of it. Nobody would call THEM "bigots." Yet nobody is going to recognize what hypocrisy this is either.

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Faith 
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Message 1254 of 1309 (748326)
01-24-2015 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1253 by AZPaul3
01-24-2015 4:56 PM


Bet?
Enjoy your brave new world, it isn't going to last long.
Unfortunately, M'lady, you are probably right about that, too. Though not for the reasons you think.
Of course I'm curious what reasons you have in mind, but in any case, would you like to bet $100 on that? I'd have to push the date up to 2020 by which I expect the predicted denouement for the reasons I predict, since if I lose the bet to Dr. A in 2019 and to you too, I couldn't afford to pay both of you, but I might be able to manage a hundred a year. Do understand, however, that even if I lose I expect what I'm betting on to happen eventually, perhaps just a few years later than expected. Possibly earlier.

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Faith 
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Message 1256 of 1309 (748331)
01-24-2015 6:43 PM


world on its head
Not that I'm surprised, but you'd think someone here might notice that driving Christians out of business for acting on their religious beliefs is a violation of their First Amendment rights, by the very government the amendment was intended to restrain from such abuse. Same with fining them or taking any legal action against them because of their religious belief. But apparently not any more because America isn't America any more. The First Amendment no longer applies to the religion it first protected, instead it increasingly protects only the enemies of Christianity. What's that called? Living Constitution? Something like that? Constitution that can change from good to evil according to who is calling the shots.
Funny how the end times prophecies of the total destruction of all good things used to be merely theoretical in my mind.

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Message 1260 of 1309 (748344)
01-24-2015 10:33 PM


Ringo's Message 1238 and AZPaul's Message 1247 are advocating driving Christians out of business on the basis of their religious beliefs. You'd think they or someone would notice that this is advocating the violation of their First Amendment rights. As I said I'm not surprised since it's politically correct to champion gay rights but hate Christians, but you'd think maybe someone here might see it. Guess not.
But since Christian business owners have in fact been subjected to this sort of abuse of their First Amendment protection I suppose we have to assume that that protection no longer exists in America. The Oregon cake business had to close their doors and work from home, and no longer do wedding cakes. The husband had to get a job driving a truck.
Gone gone gone is the First Amendment as we used to know it. But that's OK, isn't it? PC is now our Constitution and soon we'll be part of the One World Order anyway, the New Expanded Roman Empire, just one big happy family no longer annoyed by those pesky Christians.

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Message 1261 of 1309 (748345)
01-24-2015 10:37 PM
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01-24-2015 10:12 PM


Re: Bet?
Your scenario is even more drastic than mine. But of course there is no sin or judgment in your scenario --- well, there IS but you don't recognize it as such.
OK, a pride bet then but I'm no longer sure what we're betting on.
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Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 1264 of 1309 (748380)
01-25-2015 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1263 by AZPaul3
01-24-2015 10:57 PM


Re: Bet?
What I'm expecting is a breakdown of many things at once just as you are, the economy for a big one, but primarily the complete destruction of Constitutional American government, which I see foreshadowed in many ways because Cultural Marxism's Political Correctness already rules over the Constitution, but relevant to this discussion particularly in your willingness, and Ringo's, to take away the First Amendment protection of religion from Christians. That you and he could so adamantly declare the righteousness of such an action would be depressing if I hadn't had years to get used to it by now. And that the government (the courts) has already acted on such a violation of religious freedom by fining business owners for acting on their religious rights by refusing to cater to gay marriage, isn't even really noticed here, is it?
But that's only what's going on here, on this thread.
I also anticipate food shortages by the way, but I haven't been stockpiling although I know many who have been. I'll rely on God to provide in answer to prayer.
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Faith 
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Message 1266 of 1309 (748412)
01-25-2015 4:36 PM
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01-25-2015 1:11 PM


I don`t tell you what to believe. In fact, I defend your right to believe any stupid thing you want to believe. What I oppose is trying to impose your beliefs on other people.
That's what you call depriving people of their business for acting on their religious beliefs? Of course, just as I've been saying, no more First Amendment protection of religion, just revisionist perversity.

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Faith 
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Message 1272 of 1309 (748493)
01-26-2015 1:09 PM
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01-26-2015 2:58 AM


That's what you call depriving people of their business for acting on their religious beliefs?
Which is to deprive other people of their own "business for acting on their religious belief"?
The forces that twist the truth from good to evil and evil to good are just too too clever. Aren't you all? There's hardly any point in pointing out the obvious fact that a Christian business owner is not depriving anybody of anything by refusing to make a wedding cake for a certain kind of function, because you've decided that's what it is and that's that. As a Christian I would accept it if a Jewish bakery didn't want to make a cake celebrating the Risen Christ for Easter; I can get such things elsewhere and enjoy the Jewish offerings for what they are. Likewise gays can get their wedding cakes elsewhere, they can have all the baked goods they want otherwise, and there is no deprivation involved. Except in the minds of those determined to do away with Christianity.
The First Amendment was intended to protect my right to my religious beliefs, period. There is no clause that says "except when running a Christian business, then you have to stop having your Christian beliefs."
So you define your own religious "business" on your own "right" to oppress the religious business of others?
See above for the reasonable answer to such sophistry.
And you dare to denounce that denial of others' religious rights as being in violation of your own?
There is nothing that says my religious rights have to be abrogated in order to allow others, and you are engaging in a really scurrilous form of sophistry here.
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Faith 
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Message 1273 of 1309 (748494)
01-26-2015 1:13 PM
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01-26-2015 12:53 PM


Re: support?
I tried to give you a Cheer but the button wouldn't do it for some reason. Imagine that, me giving YOU a cheer.
abe: Oh I see it did come through after all.
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Faith 
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Message 1274 of 1309 (748495)
01-26-2015 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1270 by ringo
01-26-2015 11:07 AM


I haven't said anything about "depriving people of their business". What I've said is that people can deprive THEMSELVES of their own business by refusing to comply with community standards. If they keep a filthy kitchen, or refuse to serve black people or homosexuals, they are violating community standards and are not entitled to a business license. Their religious beliefs do not entitle them to dictate community standards.
I think Political Correctness must attack certain parts of the brain, producing nonsense thought and galloping sophistry. Keeping a clean kitchen and serving blacks and gays is not a violation of my religious beliefs, only providing a service for a gay wedding is, and that is not a violation of anything except the corrupt standards of Political Correctness, but your position IS a violation of my First Amendment right to act on my religious beliefs by refusing a particular service that violates them.

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Faith 
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Message 1276 of 1309 (748529)
01-26-2015 3:28 PM
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01-26-2015 7:01 AM


Re: Bet?
Hi Faith.
Is it just America going down the pan that is an indication of the End Times or are other countries required to also go down the pan?
Over here in Jolly Old England where I live in Plymouth, things seem to be on the up and up. Crime is down and wages are going up.
Is it just America that is the barometer for the nearness of the End Times?
All the best.
Europe's going down too, but I'm not sure if you'll first have to deal with the Muslim takeover or the New World Order takeover or they'll come more or less as a package deal.

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