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Larni Member (Idle past 184 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Dupe.
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Larni Member (Idle past 184 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined:
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who in fact wasn't banshee-like at all but simply a proclaimer of Christ in perfectly ordinary Biblical terms. Not so. She was propper mental.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So letting people have their 1st Amendment Rights is bowing to Allah? I thought I said I objected to her taking the mike from the speaker. That wasn't right. But what do you mean "letting people have their 1st Amendment Rights?" The government invited the Muslims and made a special pro-Islam day of it. This is as much as replacing Christianity in American life with Islam. Which is what we've been seeing coming for some time. It's no surprise to me that a Christian would feel called upon to object publicly, very much the same way the woman objected to the Muslim service in the National Cathedral a few months ago. in that case she stood up in the audience rather than wresting the microphone away from the speaker. Now that I compare the situations I suppose there really isn't a lot of difference in the end. She also felt called to protest publicly at the misuse of a Christian church for a Muslim service in which the participants turned their back to the cross. This is a lot bigger than a matter of freedom or religion or free speech, this is a sign of the beginning of the end of America.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: It's no surprise to me that a Christian would feel called upon to object publicly, very much the same way the woman objected to the Muslim service in the National Cathedral a few months ago. in that case she stood up in the audience rather than wresting the microphone away from the speaker. Now that I compare the situations I suppose there really isn't a lot of difference in the end. She also felt called to protest publicly at the misuse of a Christian church for a Muslim service in which the participants turned their back to the cross. Yup, that was another great example of someone from the Christian Cult of Ignorance. She too should be pitied.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But what do you mean "letting people have their 1st Amendment Rights?" The government invited the Muslims and made a special pro-Islam day of it. This is as much as replacing Christianity in American life with Islam. I don't understand this position. How is one group's worship, right or wrong, displacing Christianity? Would you say the same thing if a Jewish group were invited for a pro-Israel day? But yes, if you believe the very existence of Islamist worshiping or being invited to worship is replacing Christianity in American life, it is easy to understand why you see threats all around. Je Suis Charlie Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Jon Inactive Member
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That woman was nuts. There's no doubt about that. But what of Moose's claim that these folk were moderate Muslims?
The Muslim Capitol Day is put on by CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations). And here's what we know about them:
quote: The organization's founder is reported having said: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran is the highest authority in America, and Islam is the only accepted religion on earth." (Wiki). Whatever we make of the loony blonde, it's quite a misstep to call the Muslim Capitol Day event a showing of Moderate Islam. Not when it's openly backed by organizations like CAIR. If CAIR or anything associate with them is as 'moderate' as we can expect Islam to get, then I think we have good reason to find 'Moderate' Islam in serious want of moderation. JonLove your enemies!
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3944 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
But what of Moose's claim that these folk were moderate Muslims? Note the "(?)" in the subtitle I created: The reception moderate(?) Islam sometimes gets. And reading the entire Wiki CAIR article, I detect a lot of Islamic moderation in there, eg:
quote: Supporting Hamas? What about the people/organizations that support Israel? I don't see Israel on much high moral ground in the Israel/Palestine mess. I'm inclined to think the U.S. should give more support to the Palestinians and less to Israel. Bottom line - It isn't useful in promoting moderate Islam, to have anti-Islamists making such "fine" showings. If there is a moderate Islam, they have the problem of being squeezed between radical Islam and radical Christianity. OSLT. MooseProfessor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith "Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien "I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
CAIR condemned the September 11 attacks in 2001 "within hours of the first plane crashing into the World Trade Center", which it considers to be consistent with its general approach to terrorism.[34] CAIR published a paid advertisement in the Washington Post condemning 9/11 and terrorism in general.[15] taqiyya. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add link to explanation of what "taqiyya" is. No, it's not Faith gone spastic on the keyboard .
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Once again Faith, do you ever actually read your sources?
quote: I agree that the behavior of the blond was threatening and scary but not reaching the height of significant risk or persecution. Now granted if the US were a Christian Nation Muslims should rightly fear persecution but fortunately the US is not and never has been a Christian nation, thank God.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Jon Inactive Member |
It's a nice show for them to put on. But their organization continues to promote, elect, and associate themselves with one radical Muslim after another.
Actions speak louder than words...Love your enemies!
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Jon writes: It's a nice show for them to put on. But their organization continues to promote, elect, and associate themselves with one radical Muslim after another. Actions speak louder than words... So you assert, yet so far you offer no evidence that is anything more than fantasy.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9140 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3
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The organization's founder is reported having said: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran is the highest authority in America, and Islam is the only accepted religion on earth." quote: All from the same wikis you quoted Why did you not post the part that says he denies saying such a thing? He has said numerous times that he disavows such sentiment.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1464 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Most amazing how people fall all over themselves these days to deny that there is any threat in a religion that so overtly promises to kill them given the opportunity, even proclaims that it lies to serve its own ends and so on. Yes, jar, in America they know they don't dare tell the truth outright, that they can dupe Americans by pretending to be like us. But they've told the stark truth so many times elsewhere it takes a very strange blindness to overlook it. But so we have this weird suicide of the west in these Last Days. Do a little dance of denial, tra la tra la.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
There was a good editorial in todays Denver Post: Tip-toeing around Islamic extremism by Peter Singer, a professor of bioethics at Princeton University and Laureate Professor at the University of Melbourne.
Regarding P.C. correctness and euphemisms regarding extremism being tied to Islam, the professor says quote:We dont really want to start a religious war, seeing as how Christianity---though less extreme (in the mainstream) is not much better for society. I shudder to think of a proposal to fight against all religion as a solution to stop this stuff. Saying, "I don't know," is the same as saying, "Maybe."~ZombieRingo It's easy to see the speck in somebody else's ideas - unless it's blocked by the beam in your own.~Ringo If a savage stops believing in his wooden god, it does not mean that there is no God only that God is not wooden.(Leo Tolstoy)
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: We dont really want to start a religious war, seeing as how Christianity---though less extreme (in the mainstream) is not much better for society. Christianity might be slightly less extreme today but it would be really hard to make such a case when so many Christians claim the US is a Christian Nation and that Western Culture is a Christian Culture and it is of course simply absurd when considered over time. No culture has ever been as effective at genocide as Christianity. The first modern example of "terrorism" was likely the Jewish Zionist terrorists in Palestine and even today Israeli terrorism has been refined to almost a high art.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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