The Search for Moderate Islam

Dupe.Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

Not so.She was propper mental.

I thought I said I objected to her taking the mike from the speaker. That wasn't right.But what do you mean "letting people have their 1st Amendment Rights?" The government invited the Muslims and made a special pro-Islam day of it. This is as much as replacing Christianity in American life with Islam. Which is what we've been seeing coming for some time. It's no surprise to me that a Christian would feel called upon to object publicly, very much the same way the woman objected to the Muslim service in the National Cathedral a few months ago. in that case she stood up in the audience rather than wresting the microphone away from the speaker. Now that I compare the situations I suppose there really isn't a lot of difference in the end. She also felt called to protest publicly at the misuse of a Christian church for a Muslim service in which the participants turned their back to the cross.This is a lot bigger than a matter of freedom or religion or free speech, this is a sign of the beginning of the end of America.

Yup, that was another great example of someone from the Christian Cult of Ignorance. She too should be pitied.

I don't understand this position. How is one group's worship, right or wrong, displacing Christianity? Would you say the same thing if a Jewish group were invited for a pro-Israel day?But yes, if you believe the very existence of Islamist worshiping or being invited to worship is replacing Christianity in American life, it is easy to understand why you see threats all around.

That woman was nuts. There's no doubt about that. But what of Moose's claim that these folk were moderate Muslims?The Muslim Capitol Day is put on by CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations). And here's what we know about them:

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Wikipedia on CAIR:

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In 2007 the organization was named, along with 245 others, by U.S. Federal prosecutors in a list of unindicted co-conspirators and/or joint venturers in a Hamas funding case involving the Holy Land Foundation, which in 2009 caused the FBI to cease working with CAIR outside of criminal investigations due to its designation.

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The organization's founder is reported having said: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran is the highest authority in America, and Islam is the only accepted religion on earth." (Wiki).Whatever we make of the loony blonde, it's quite a misstep to call the Muslim Capitol Day event a showing of Moderate Islam. Not when it's openly backed by organizations like CAIR.If CAIR or anything associate with them is as 'moderate' as we can expect Islam to get, then I think we have good reason to find 'Moderate' Islam in serious want of moderation.Jon

Note the "(?)" in the subtitle I created: The reception moderate(?) Islam sometimes gets.And reading the entire Wiki CAIR article, I detect a lot of Islamic moderation in there, eg:

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CAIR condemned the September 11 attacks in 2001 "within hours of the first plane crashing into the World Trade Center", which it considers to be consistent with its general approach to terrorism.[34] CAIR published a paid advertisement in the Washington Post condemning 9/11 and terrorism in general.[15]

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Supporting Hamas? What about the people/organizations that support Israel? I don't see Israel on much high moral ground in the Israel/Palestine mess. I'm inclined to think the U.S. should give more support to the Palestinians and less to Israel.Bottom line - It isn't useful in promoting moderate Islam, to have anti-Islamists making such "fine" showings. If there is a moderate Islam, they have the problem of being squeezed between radical Islam and radical Christianity. OSLT.Moose

taqiyya.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Add link to explanation of what "taqiyya" is. No, it's not Faith gone spastic on the keyboard .

Once again Faith, do you ever actually read your sources?

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In Shi'a Islam, taqiyya (تقیة taqiyyah/taqīyah) is a form of religious dissimulation,[1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are in fear or at risk of significant persecution.[2] The corresponding concept in Sunni Islam is known as idtirar (إضطرار) "coercion".

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I agree that the behavior of the blond was threatening and scary but not reaching the height of significant risk or persecution. Now granted if the US were a Christian Nation Muslims should rightly fear persecution but fortunately the US is not and never has been a Christian nation, thank God.

It's a nice show for them to put on. But their organization continues to promote, elect, and associate themselves with one radical Muslim after another.Actions speak louder than words...

So you assert, yet so far you offer no evidence that is anything more than fantasy.

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CAIR was never charged with any crime, and it complained that the designation had tarnished its reputation.[5] Following a motion from CAIR and other groups, a federal appeals court sealed the list on October 20, 2010, ruling the designation violated the group's rights and was the result of "simply an untested allegation of the Government, made in anticipation of a possible evidentiary dispute that never came to pass."

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All from the same wikis you quotedWhy did you not post the part that says he denies saying such a thing? He has said numerous times that he disavows such sentiment.

Most amazing how people fall all over themselves these days to deny that there is any threat in a religion that so overtly promises to kill them given the opportunity, even proclaims that it lies to serve its own ends and so on. Yes, jar, in America they know they don't dare tell the truth outright, that they can dupe Americans by pretending to be like us. But they've told the stark truth so many times elsewhere it takes a very strange blindness to overlook it. But so we have this weird suicide of the west in these Last Days. Do a little dance of denial, tra la tra la.

There was a good editorial in todays Denver Post: Tip-toeing around Islamic extremism by Peter Singer, a professor of bioethics at Princeton University and Laureate Professor at the University of Melbourne.Regarding P.C. correctness and euphemisms regarding extremism being tied to Islam, the professor says

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the repeated use of "Islamic" as part of the description of enemy groups may make it appear that the West is "at war with Islam." That could lead more moderate Muslims to fight alongside the extremists, thus broadening the conflict and making it more difficult to end.

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We dont really want to start a religious war, seeing as how Christianity---though less extreme (in the mainstream) is not much better for society. I shudder to think of a proposal to fight against all religion as a solution to stop this stuff.

Christianity might be slightly less extreme today but it would be really hard to make such a case when so many Christians claim the US is a Christian Nation and that Western Culture is a Christian Culture and it is of course simply absurd when considered over time. No culture has ever been as effective at genocide as Christianity.The first modern example of "terrorism" was likely the Jewish Zionist terrorists in Palestine and even today Israeli terrorism has been refined to almost a high art.