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ringo
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Message 3331 of 5179 (750924)
02-24-2015 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 3327 by NoNukes
02-23-2015 1:58 PM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
NoNukes writes:
A sane definition of readily accessible would include loaded with a functioning safety such as a grip safety. Or with a biometric detection system.
No, that would be a definition of "safe". Accessible and safe are two different things, which is the point of the thread.
NoNukes writes:
Or without a bullet in the chamber.
Depending on the weapon, that would be a definition of "useless".

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jar
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Message 3332 of 5179 (750927)
02-24-2015 11:36 AM
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02-24-2015 10:12 AM


Re: readily available vs negligently ready
RAZD writes:
Curiously it was suggested to me by a gun instructor who practices it.
Certainly you go thru the same motions when you reload using quick-load systems, yes?
Enjoy.
Sometimes you do but it is never as fast as not having to reload. In addition, when using an semi-automatic you do not go through the same motions as your source should certainly know.
With a revolver it is the same motions as a rapid reload(again still much slower than not reloading) but with a bottom feeder simply swapping the magazine leaves you with an unloaded gun UNLESS it is done when the slide is fully retracted. I know of no holster made to support a semi-automatic handgun with the slide fully back and locked.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Theodoric
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Message 3333 of 5179 (750928)
02-24-2015 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 3332 by jar
02-24-2015 11:36 AM


Re: readily available vs negligently ready
Because it takes all of 1/2 second to pull back the slide.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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jar
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Message 3334 of 5179 (750929)
02-24-2015 11:44 AM
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02-24-2015 11:42 AM


Re: readily available vs negligently ready
Yup. Maybe less but still way too much time.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 3335 of 5179 (750930)
02-24-2015 11:51 AM
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02-24-2015 11:44 AM


Re: readily available vs negligently ready
Too much time for what?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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jar
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Message 3336 of 5179 (750932)
02-24-2015 11:54 AM
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02-24-2015 11:51 AM


Re: readily available vs negligently ready
Too much time between drawing my pistol out of the holster and actually firing.
No one should ever take their gun out of it's holster until there is an almost certainty that it will be fired. A handgun is always safest when it is still in the holster.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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NoNukes
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Message 3337 of 5179 (750970)
02-24-2015 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3331 by ringo
02-24-2015 11:09 AM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
No, that would be a definition of "safe". Accessible and safe are two different things, which is the point of the thread.
Sigh, two different, and orthogonal things. The 'necessary' accessibility does not necessarily compromise safety. So when I describe a safe, accessible method, I've also described an accessible method.
In our quest for accessible we need not only pick unsafe measures which add no significant amount of readiness. A loaded gun with a biometric safety device, besides being safer than a hair trigger gun that is accessible to a three year old, might well also meet the definition of accessible and ready for an adult shooter. Unless you are insane.
On the other hand, a gun with a trigger as described in these shooting events, is in your way any time you reach into your purse to get gum or to show your driver's license to a police officer, or when you leave the purse in the shopping card with a toddler while you can grab some paper towels.

Je Suis Charlie
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ringo
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Message 3338 of 5179 (751315)
03-02-2015 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 3337 by NoNukes
02-24-2015 10:04 PM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
NoNukes writes:
Unless you are insane.
I keep telling you, they are.

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Percy
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Message 3339 of 5179 (753773)
03-22-2015 7:31 AM


News Note
Just noticed in the news today that ATF director B. Todd Jones has stepped down in the wake of a controversy over the agency's proposal to ban 5.56mm armor-piercing bullets: ATF director steps down after bullet ban controversy
--Percy

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frako
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Message 3340 of 5179 (753774)
03-22-2015 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 3339 by Percy
03-22-2015 7:31 AM


Re: News Note
Yea cause you need those bullets just in case a deer puts on Kevlar armor.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

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Message 3341 of 5179 (753780)
03-22-2015 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 3340 by frako
03-22-2015 7:36 AM


Slovene Home Guard
Frako,
Yes and the 5.56 can be quite effective against the Slovene Home Guard.
I've never lived in a country where the people did not have a right to be armed. Why don't you explain to us the great benefits of allowing the government to round up people, put them in camps, and then in ovens.
You know, my country was not a Nazi collaborator. Too bad you can't say the same.
What exactly is your interest/concern in the laws of my country?
Are you an Authoritarian Socialist Pig? They are very interested in telling everyone else how to live.

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subbie
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Message 3342 of 5179 (753781)
03-22-2015 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 3341 by petrophysics1
03-22-2015 9:18 AM


Re: Slovene Home Guard
petrophysics1 writes:
Why don't you explain to us the great benefits of allowing the government to round up people, put them in camps, and then in ovens.
If you are seriously concerned that our government is going to do that, I'm very glad that you live 1,500 miles away from me, because you are a danger to yourself or others.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
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Tangle
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Message 3343 of 5179 (753782)
03-22-2015 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 3341 by petrophysics1
03-22-2015 9:18 AM


Re: Slovene Home Guard
Petro,
This is an international discussion board. People outside the US also have opinions - are you afraid to hear them?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 3344 of 5179 (753783)
03-22-2015 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 3343 by Tangle
03-22-2015 9:35 AM


Re: Slovene Home Guard
Didn't you know? The First Amendment only applies to 'Muricans.

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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Percy
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Message 3345 of 5179 (753785)
03-22-2015 10:43 AM
Reply to: Message 3341 by petrophysics1
03-22-2015 9:18 AM


Re: Slovene Home Guard
Wow! From questioning the need for a certain type of armor piercing bullet to the Nazis in one step. Thank you for that thoughtful and studied response. Godwin wins again.
The issue is public safety. The goal of maximizing public safety must of course be balanced against other goals, but no goal has full or automatic supremacy over any other goal, and minimizing lives lost does seem like it should be given a fairly high priority.
--Percy

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