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Message 196 of 603 (750824)
02-22-2015 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Dr Adequate
02-22-2015 10:51 PM


Re: can we nominate a group?
Experts are obviously biased towards thinking that the things they've discovered are true.
This is, so far as I can see, the actual rationale for the law.
Perhaps the law has some non nefarious purpose, and it is merely the execution of the law that is flawed.
quote:
Board members may not participate in advisory activities that directly or indirectly involve review or evaluation of their own work.
I think the problem here is "indirectly involve review or evaluation of their own work". Commenting on a paper whose contents you have also written about would seem to be a prohibited activity, regardless of whether you agree or disagree. That's pretty much inane. Scientists who have done basic work on a topic might not be able to participate at all.
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Message 197 of 603 (750976)
02-25-2015 9:45 AM


Michele Fiore
An assemblywoman from my own great state of Nevada ...
If you have cancer, which I believe is a fungus, and we can put a pic line into your body and we’re flushing with, say, salt water, sodium cardonate through that line and flushing out the fungus. These are some procedures that are not FDA-approved in America that are very inexpensive, cost-effective.
(R), but you don't need me to tell you that.

  
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Message 198 of 603 (750979)
02-25-2015 10:14 AM


David Tredinnick
And representing the UK, a Conservative MP has some wise words about astrology.
David Tredinnick said consulting the stars would "take huge pressure off doctors" and predicts astrology will "have a role to play in healthcare."
The MP for Bosworth in Leicestershire also admitted he had prepared astrological charts for fellow MPs.
In an interview with this month's Astrological Journal, the controversial MP said: "There would be a huge row over resources.
"However, I do believe that astrology and complementary medicine would help take the huge pressure off doctors.
[...]
He added that opponents to astrology were "bullies", saying: "Astrology offers self-understanding to people.
"People who oppose what I say are usually bullies who have never studied astrology.
"They never look at it. They are absolutely dismissive. Astrology may not be capable of passing double-blind tests but it is based on thousands of years of observation.
"Hippocrates said, 'A physician without a knowledge of astrology has no right to call himself a physician,'
"Astrology was until modern times part of the tradition of medicine. I think it is a great pity that so many scientists today are dismissive of right-side brain energy, such as intuition.
"People such as Professor Brian Cox, who called astrology 'rubbish' have simply not studied the subject.
"The BBC is quite dismissive of astrology and seeks to promote the science perspective and seems always keen to broadcast criticisms of astrology."
Bizarrely, Tredinnick, 65, who is chairman of the All-Party Group for Integrated Healthcare, went on to say people who opposed astrology were "racist".
He said: "The opposition (to astrology) is based on what I call the SIP formula - superstition, ignorance, and prejudice.
"It tends to be based on superstition, with scientists reacting emotionally, which is always a great irony.
"They are also ignorant, because they never study the subject and just say that it is all to do with what appears in the newspapers, which it is not, and they are deeply prejudiced, and racially prejudiced, which is troubling."
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Message 199 of 603 (750980)
02-25-2015 10:21 AM


It makes me think of this ...

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Message 200 of 603 (750984)
02-25-2015 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Dr Adequate
02-25-2015 10:21 AM


Republican state Rep. Vito Barbieri
Star Tribune Error: 404
quote:
BOISE, Idaho An Idaho lawmaker received a brief lesson on female anatomy after asking if a woman can swallow a small camera for doctors to conduct a remote gynecological exam.
Idaho lawmaker asks if woman can swallow camera for gynecological exam before medical abortion.
Dr. Julie Madsen, a physician who said she has provided various telemedicine services in Idaho, was testifying in opposition to the bill. She said some colonoscopy patients may swallow a small device to give doctors a closer look at parts of their colon.
"Can this same procedure then be done in a pregnancy? Swallowing a camera and helping the doctor determine what the situation is?" Barbieri asked.
Madsen replied that would be impossible because swallowed pills do not end up in the vagina.
"Fascinating. That makes sense," Barbieri said, amid the crowd's laughter.
Or the uterus for that matter. The fetus does not grow in the "tummy" ...
I wonder if you can get a degree in "republican science" ... ?

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Message 201 of 603 (751058)
02-26-2015 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Dr Adequate
02-25-2015 10:14 AM


Re: David Tredinnick
The most worrying thing about Tredinnick is that this isn't a sudden odd statement of his. Here's him speaking in Parliament in 2009:
quote:
In 2001 I raised in the House the influence of the moon, on the basis of the evidence then that at certain phases of the moon there are more accidents. Surgeons will not operate because blood clotting is not effective and the police have to put more people on the street.
Note that he refers back to saying the same things in 2001. He has won a seat in every election since 1987, despite not only spouting this nonsense continually, but having to resign from government in 1994 for having accepted payment from an undercover journalist to ask questions in Parliament. Sad reflection on the electorate.

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Message 202 of 603 (751060)
02-26-2015 4:35 PM
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02-25-2015 10:47 AM


Re: Republican state Rep. Vito Barbieri
Or the uterus for that matter. The fetus does not grow in the "tummy" ...
I wonder if you can get a degree in "republican science" ... ?
Reluctantly, I have to come to this chap's defence. Look at the context. He is arguing in favour of a law prohibiting doctors from prescribing the morning after pill without seeing a patient face-to-face. A doctor makes a point about remote colonoscopies. He asks 'can you do that with a pregnancy', to which the answer is no. His point being that therefore this is not the same situation.
It's not that difficult to understand if you look past the urge to paint your political opponents as scientific illiterates.

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Message 203 of 603 (751065)
02-26-2015 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by caffeine
02-26-2015 4:35 PM


Re: Republican state Rep. Vito Barbieri
If you look at the context he was not asking it in that manner.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 204 of 603 (751066)
02-26-2015 6:22 PM
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02-26-2015 5:25 PM


Re: Republican state Rep. Vito Barbieri
Caffeine may have a point.
The Virginia House of Delegates voted two weeks ago to require women seeking abortions to undergo intravaginal ultrasounds: they know where the fetus is.
He was more likely contemplating that bit of government-mandated instrumental rape than any shortcoming of telemedicine.
So he's more rapist than dufus. But loony all the way down.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 205 of 603 (751072)
02-26-2015 8:11 PM
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02-26-2015 6:22 PM


Re: Republican state Rep. Vito Barbieri
The Virginia House of Delegates voted two weeks ago to require women seeking abortions to undergo intravaginal ultrasounds: they know where the fetus is.
He was more likely contemplating that bit of government-mandated instrumental rape than any shortcoming of telemedicine.
Was he? Maybe it was a situation where his conservative colleagues who may have an inkling about how this stuff works, in theory, told him the ultrasound bill was against liberal feminist women and was in favor of god so he said "OK" without any understanding at all.
But, then, you might be right.
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Message 206 of 603 (751074)
02-26-2015 8:47 PM
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02-26-2015 4:35 PM


Re: Republican state Rep. Vito Barbieri
Yeah, caffeine is right. The guy may have been making a rhetorical point. If so, never mind, we can find another Republican demonstrating actual gross scientific illiteracy in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ...

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Message 207 of 603 (751078)
02-26-2015 10:38 PM
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02-26-2015 8:11 PM


Re: Republican state Rep. Vito Barbieri
AZPaul3 writes:
Was he? Maybe it was a situation where his conservative colleagues who may have an inkling about how this stuff works, in theory, told him the ultrasound bill was against liberal feminist women and was in favor of god so he said "OK" without any understanding at all.
But, then, you might be right.
I prefer to overestimate the feral.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 208 of 603 (751081)
02-27-2015 12:02 AM
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02-26-2015 10:38 PM


Re: Republican state Rep. Vito Barbieri
Though I may have overestimated the intellect.

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Message 209 of 603 (751103)
02-27-2015 10:12 AM
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02-26-2015 4:35 PM


Re: Republican state Rep. Vito Barbieri
Caffeine writes:
It's not that difficult to understand if you look past the urge to paint your political opponents as scientific illiterates.
Your right. But whats the fun in that? (kidding)

"You were not there for the beginning. You will not be there for the end. Your knowledge of what is going on can only be superficial and relative" William S. Burroughs

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Message 210 of 603 (751105)
02-27-2015 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by Dr Adequate
02-26-2015 8:47 PM


Rep. Christy Perry (R-Nampa). of Idaho
How about this numbskull:
Idaho Republican backs faith-healer parents: ‘If I want to let my child be with God, why is that wrong?’
and
Children do die, Perry said. I’m not trying to sound callous, but (reformers) want to act as if death is an anomaly. But it’s not it’s a way of life.
Edited by subbie, : Subtitle

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat
It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate
Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung

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