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Author Topic:   Net Neutrality --- For Once, Everyone Wins
Theodoric
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Message 2 of 73 (751044)
02-26-2015 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
02-26-2015 2:11 PM


You might get a bunch of right wing conspiracy arguments.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 5 of 73 (751055)
02-26-2015 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Jon
02-26-2015 2:57 PM


Re: ISPs?
They are the business that brings the capability of connecting to the internet to the consumer. Without them everyone would ahve to find their own way to connect to a hub somewhere. They are the backbone of the system.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 7 of 73 (751064)
02-26-2015 5:24 PM
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02-26-2015 4:55 PM


Re: Pay per Ad Internet
Probably competition. In most places in the US there is effectively no competition. This does two things keeps prices high and keeps companies from upgrading capabilities. I pay for 6mb dsl. That is the highest speed I can get and I only really have on choice, Centurylink. They suck. My only other choice is satellite which is no faster and prohibitively expensive. I live 12 miles outside of Superior, WI so I am not in the deep dark woods. There is an actual fiber optic line 1/2 mile from my house.
20 miles father out in the country, in Maple, WI every home has fiber optic to their house. The local phone company got a grant and took it upon themselves to go to fiber.
This is an example of how our capitalist system fails society. We as a nation .are the laughingstock of the world for our pitiful internet and cell service.
Landline phones do not work the same way. There is a flat fee now for most phone service. I get local and long distance and no matter how many calls I make it is the same. International calls would be an additional cost.
The ISP's and the big players are not suffering financially. They want to be able to provide mediocre service and find another way to generate additional revenue. Why is no other country experiencing these issues? The issues is the big players do not want to spend more money in improving service but want to find new ways to charge fees.
Read up on the economics of the internet and cell service in the USA, compared to the rest of the world. Ever place in the world I have traveled has better service and lower prices.
Why do you think the big telecoms wanted to make municipal internet systems illegal? They do not want competition.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 14 of 73 (751080)
02-26-2015 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by RAZD
02-26-2015 8:23 PM


Re: satellite anywhere internet/phone
Satellite Internet is a nonstarter. Where I live it actually maxes at 5mb(i just checked their website). Also, the Fair Access policy will throttle your speeds when you hit the datacap which is either 10 or 20 GB. If you pay them more they will loosen things up. Their token system. Those are not hard to hit when you are using netflix, amazon prime or Hulu.
Satellite will always be a niche player.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 17 of 73 (751111)
02-27-2015 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by New Cat's Eye
02-27-2015 10:10 AM


Re: satellite anywhere internet/phone
Not going to have much market penetration for a while to come. Also, it doesn't seem likely it will make it to any rural locations. Also, we get back to the old no competition problem.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 30 of 73 (751183)
02-28-2015 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Jon
02-28-2015 9:53 AM


Re: Pay per Ad Internet
Just like employers used ACA to excuse cutting hours or hiring people only at part-time
Do you have evidence that a lot of this happened in response to ACA?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 36 of 73 (751515)
03-03-2015 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by RAZD
03-03-2015 2:16 PM


Re: satellite anywhere internet/phone
quote:
Their tests were carried out under lab conditions over a distance of 100 meters (328 feet) using transmitters and receivers built at Surrey.
They have a long way to go to get to Satellite transmissions distances. I realize that Satellite is on the map for 5G but until we see some real world results it is all pie in the sky. There have been lots of technologies that started out well in the lab but were unable to exist in real world applications. Remember LightSquared?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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