Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 63 (9162 total)
1 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 916,387 Year: 3,644/9,624 Month: 515/974 Week: 128/276 Day: 2/23 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Multiculturalism
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 1156 of 1234 (748249)
01-23-2015 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1152 by Straggler
01-23-2015 4:15 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
"No go" zones are where the POLICE won't go.
Coming Soon to America

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1152 by Straggler, posted 01-23-2015 4:15 PM Straggler has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1157 by Straggler, posted 01-24-2015 3:14 AM Faith has not replied
 Message 1158 by vimesey, posted 01-24-2015 3:23 AM Faith has replied

  
Straggler
Member
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


Message 1157 of 1234 (748260)
01-24-2015 3:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1156 by Faith
01-23-2015 10:02 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
You are being lied to Faith.
If there is a "no go" zone in London tell me about it. I will go there and I can absolutely assure you that I am not some sort of badass who goes where the police fear to tread. Name these "no go" zones that you are so convinced must exist.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1156 by Faith, posted 01-23-2015 10:02 PM Faith has not replied

  
vimesey
Member (Idle past 93 days)
Posts: 1398
From: Birmingham, England
Joined: 09-21-2011


(1)
Message 1158 of 1234 (748261)
01-24-2015 3:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1156 by Faith
01-23-2015 10:02 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
I read the article Faith - it effectively states that there are areas in cities in which a lot of Muslims have settled. It goes on to say that it doesn't matter what you call these areas, so let's call them "no-go areas".
This is despite the article acknowledging that police do, in fact, go to them, to perform their role.
Would you agree that choosing to call an area a "no-go area" is, itself, a choice which is intended to be divisive, pejorative and misleading ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1156 by Faith, posted 01-23-2015 10:02 PM Faith has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1160 by Faith, posted 01-24-2015 12:38 PM vimesey has not replied

  
ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1159 of 1234 (748281)
01-24-2015 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 1150 by NosyNed
01-23-2015 3:12 PM


Re: Ramps
NosyNed writes:
Mothers and Fathers with baby carriages can get around, old folks walking have an easier time of it. Old ladies with grocery carts manage better. Everyone is better off. Even the usually able bodied who have an injury benefit.
I consider myself "usually able bodied" rather than "old" but I always use the ramps at intersections instead of taking the six-inch leap of faith off the curb. The city is routinely putting them in as the old sidewalks are replaced; it can't be that much more expensive. (Another advantage is that they eliminate the need for armour plating to protect the curbs from heavy vehicles taking the corners to sharply.)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1150 by NosyNed, posted 01-23-2015 3:12 PM NosyNed has not replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 1160 of 1234 (748288)
01-24-2015 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1158 by vimesey
01-24-2015 3:23 AM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
Funny that's not how I read it at all. It says there are areas in the US that are populated by Muslims who don't want to assimilate, that eventually will become no go zones which they already have in Europe.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1158 by vimesey, posted 01-24-2015 3:23 AM vimesey has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1161 by Theodoric, posted 01-24-2015 12:52 PM Faith has not replied
 Message 1162 by Theodoric, posted 01-24-2015 12:53 PM Faith has replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9140
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.3


(2)
Message 1161 of 1234 (748294)
01-24-2015 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1160 by Faith
01-24-2015 12:38 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
Just like Chinatown and Little Italy

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1160 by Faith, posted 01-24-2015 12:38 PM Faith has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1164 by jar, posted 01-24-2015 1:29 PM Theodoric has not replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9140
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.3


Message 1162 of 1234 (748295)
01-24-2015 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1160 by Faith
01-24-2015 12:38 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
Still waiting for evidence on these no go zones you seem to be an expert on.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1160 by Faith, posted 01-24-2015 12:38 PM Faith has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1163 by Faith, posted 01-24-2015 1:10 PM Theodoric has replied

  
Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1465 days)
Posts: 35298
From: Nevada, USA
Joined: 10-06-2001


Message 1163 of 1234 (748299)
01-24-2015 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1162 by Theodoric
01-24-2015 12:53 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
Wait long enough and you'll find yourself surrounded by them. I think I'll leave it at that.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1162 by Theodoric, posted 01-24-2015 12:53 PM Theodoric has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 1165 by Theodoric, posted 01-24-2015 2:31 PM Faith has not replied

  
jar
Member (Idle past 414 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


(3)
Message 1164 of 1234 (748304)
01-24-2015 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1161 by Theodoric
01-24-2015 12:52 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
I grew up in the only Christian family in a Jewish neighborhood. I guess I was in middle school before I found out that the lions didn't eat all the other Christians.
A few blocks north of our row house was the "Deli".
Now it was not like what passes throughout most of the country for a deli, this was a true Jewish Deli.
There was the great oak barrel of pickles and you stuck your hand down in the brine squeezing them to pick out the biggest, firmest pickle you could find. On the counter was the aluminum tray of Coddies (cod fish cakes) and saltines and folk helped themselves and snacked on them while browsing the store. I always suspected they were delivered on Mondays and Wednesdays and on Tuesdays and Thursdays they simply turned the uneaten ones over.
The rolls of fly paper hung from the ceiling as the big ceiling fans turned slowly giving the illusion of a breeze but mostly simply mixing the smells and the hot, humid air.
At the far most rear corner of the Deli was an old wooden table littered with newspapers in Hebrew where older men gathered, some clean shaved, others bearded, all speaking at the same time in a mixture of English and Yiddish. Often in the mornings they would have a plate with a half eaten Bureka sitting in front of them and as their hands slapped the table the small white cups of coffee would dance in the saucers.
The Deli roasted their own beans and you could tell when coffee was being roasted from a block away. The whole neighborhood took on the air of expectancy when the coffee was roasting and people walking on the street raised their heads and sniffed the air, their destination forgotten as their paths converged for that cup of just roasted coffee.
As a kid, I was not allowed coffee, it would stunt my growth, but Mr. Blumberg would always give me a small glass filled with milk with just a touch of coffee added, and would tell me "don't let your parents see that" in a voice that everyone in the deli heard. But as a child, I knew it was "our secret" and I would take my glass to the back and sit at the end of the table trying to be as near invisible as a goy can be at a table filled with adults in a Talmudic Dispute.
Eventually mom and dad would call me and everyone at the table would stop talking and look at me. As I'd gulp down the last of my "coffee" and run to catch up I'd always hear someone at the table say "Such a good boy."
Little did they know.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1161 by Theodoric, posted 01-24-2015 12:52 PM Theodoric has not replied

  
Theodoric
Member
Posts: 9140
From: Northwest, WI, USA
Joined: 08-15-2005
Member Rating: 3.3


(2)
Message 1165 of 1234 (748311)
01-24-2015 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1163 by Faith
01-24-2015 1:10 PM


Re: Multiculturalists in High Places
Wait long enough and you'll find yourself surrounded by them.
I don't see any problem with that.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1163 by Faith, posted 01-24-2015 1:10 PM Faith has not replied

  
Tangle
Member
Posts: 9504
From: UK
Joined: 10-07-2011
Member Rating: 4.7


Message 1166 of 1234 (749424)
02-04-2015 1:38 PM


A mixed day for multiculturalism in the UK.
The first FGM case to go to court in the UK returned a not guilty verdict after only 30 minutes and it seems like the right verdict. The prosecution service appears to have picked a really rediculous case in its haste to be seen to be 'on-message' with the new reality. (After years of being 'on-message' with misplaced cultural sensitivity.)
The entire Rotherham council has resigned and two councillors have been referred to the police after an investigation into the child sex scandels involving Pakistani men and white children. It's a pretty horrendous story of child abuse and trafficking being totally ignore by those in charge because of cultural sensitivities and pure bonebreaking incompetence.
Government in Rotherham Council takeover after abuse inquiry - BBC News

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

Replies to this message:
 Message 1167 by vimesey, posted 02-04-2015 2:58 PM Tangle has not replied

  
vimesey
Member (Idle past 93 days)
Posts: 1398
From: Birmingham, England
Joined: 09-21-2011


(1)
Message 1167 of 1234 (749428)
02-04-2015 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1166 by Tangle
02-04-2015 1:38 PM


There seems to be a fair number of reasons for the scandal, but one of the ones referred to on the news reports is political correctness. I need to see the report itself, but if political correctness is a relevant reason, it goes to the issue we're debating here.
Does an over-arching desire to defer to multiculturalism, sometimes (rarely, but in this case, really importantly) lead to harm being done to innocent people ?
If so, how do we stop that, and still prevent the knee jerk reaction which condemns a whole faith or community ?

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1166 by Tangle, posted 02-04-2015 1:38 PM Tangle has not replied

  
Jon
Inactive Member


Message 1168 of 1234 (755101)
04-04-2015 12:10 PM


The Cost of Multiculturalism
Does the U.S. have any hope of making it in the global competition of public education? If Multiculturalism wins the day, chances are it won't:
quote:
"Proposals to Diversify NYC's Top High Schools Would Do Little to Help, Study Finds" from NPR:
The NYU researchers said that guaranteeing entry to the top students from every high school would make the elite high schools more diverse, but warned that taking that approach would come "at the cost of reducing the average achievement of incoming students."
Aren't there more effective means of providing minoritiesa category which, at the schools in question, includes white kidsan increased representation in top schools than lowering the standards for entrance into those schools?
I would certainly think so; but when Multiculturalism is the rule, nothing else really mattersincluding reality.

Love your enemies!

  
Jon
Inactive Member


Message 1169 of 1234 (755696)
04-10-2015 6:47 PM


Catering to Crazy
We talk a lot about teachers dropping evolution from their courses to appease Christian conservatives, but teachers are also dropping the Holocaust form their history lessons to avoid offending their Muslim students:
quote:
"Teachers Drop Holocaust to Avoid Offending Muslims" from Daily Mail:
Schools are dropping the Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, a Governmentbacked study has revealed.
It found some teachers are reluctant to cover the atrocity for fear of upsetting students whose beliefs include Holocaust denial.
...
But Chris McGovern, history education adviser to the former Tory government, said: "History is not a vehicle for promoting political correctness. Children must have access to knowledge of these controversial subjects, whether palatable or unpalatable."

Love your enemies!

Replies to this message:
 Message 1170 by Dr Adequate, posted 04-10-2015 7:21 PM Jon has not replied

  
Dr Adequate
Member (Idle past 305 days)
Posts: 16113
Joined: 07-20-2006


Message 1170 of 1234 (755702)
04-10-2015 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1169 by Jon
04-10-2015 6:47 PM


Re: Catering to Crazy
This will be a wonderful thing to cite next time a creationist complains about those innocent Christian children being indoctrinated with evolutionismistarianism.
There's an old joke about the man who put a chameleon on a tartan rug just to watch it die ...

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1169 by Jon, posted 04-10-2015 6:47 PM Jon has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024