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Message 5 of 77 (756234)
04-16-2015 7:30 PM
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Isn't this about the same as "don't look a gift horse in the mouth".
The woman was generous and well intentioned. This was the wrong time to criticize her.

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Message 7 of 77 (756254)
04-17-2015 12:42 AM
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Then I think you are reading too much into it.

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Message 9 of 77 (756262)
04-17-2015 8:21 AM
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Re: You Will Always Have the Poor
The statement is rather unusual for Jesus.
That's hard to say. Nobody was taking notes of everything said. What we have, instead, is a somewhat mythologized account. It's more a record of what the early believers thought important.
... and has held some good weight in circles of Christians who believe it can be used to relieve them of the burdensome charge of helping the poor
That's literalism for you. The literalist ignores the clear intentions, but instead looks for wording that can read as giving the permission to do what they really want to do anyway even though it is contrary to the main teachings.
We recently saw something similar among orthodox Jews:
KosherSwitch: A Loophole for Orthodox Jews Who Think They Can’t Turn Electricity On/Off on the Sabbath.

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Message 16 of 77 (756277)
04-17-2015 11:54 AM
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Re: You Will Always Have the Poor
Whether the things reported are true or not doesn't take away our power to discuss the way the scenes fit into the overall narrative and accompanying belief system.
Sure. And I have been doing that. But, in doing that, I follow the principle of charity. We should read it as though people are making sense. And what seems to make sense is that Jesus was just saying that we can postpone the problem of the poor until later, so that we can treat this generous woman as she deserves.
Given everything else that he said, it does not make sense (so is contrary to the principle of charity), to interpret Jesus as saying "fuck the poor."

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