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PaulK
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Message 35 of 283 (755515)
04-09-2015 1:11 AM
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04-08-2015 6:25 PM


Re: the difference betwee making shit up and supporting a position
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Why should we look only to texts for support for arguments ? Does not what we think and say itself have as much scholarly thought as anything written down?
That really depends on what the argument is about. If we are arguing about Calvin's beliefs , for instance, then obviously Calvin's writings are more relevant than our own opinions. Evidential value is a different criterion from "scholarly thought" - but it is one that "scholarly thought" must acknowledge.

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PaulK
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Message 37 of 283 (760065)
06-17-2015 9:39 AM
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Re: the difference betwee making shit up and supporting a position
If you prefer to believe an inspiring fantasy over a dully-presented truth then so be it. It doesn't mean that everyone else should share your preference - and those of us who valu intellectual honesty cannot.

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Message 39 of 283 (760087)
06-17-2015 2:55 PM
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Re: the difference betwee making shit up and supporting a position
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I would argue that there is an open discussion regarding intellectual honesty also
I would not. Obviously anyone who takes a story for truth because they find it "inspiring" and reject a well-reasoned, impeccably evidenced account because it is "dull" is not being intellectually honest.
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Our belief is that our own scientific method, observation and evidence are our most reliable approach to understanding this vast space.
And for good reason.
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Current fantasies may well become future truths one way or another.
Even if that is true in some senses, the number of current fantasies that are presently true - if any - must be far smaller than the number of fantasies around us. The chance of any one being true is vanishingly small. It's no excuse for believing fantasies.

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