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Rocky.C
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Message 151 of 451 (760568)
06-23-2015 11:16 AM
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06-21-2015 11:12 AM


Re: still trying to define what Christianity is.
***You claim to be a Christian; yet, you do not seem to understand anything about Christ. Most of professing Christianity have adopted the doctrines and customs of the false Catholic Church.
Just a few:
Sunday is never called the "Lord's day." It is simply referred to as the first day of the week. It is a regular work day.
Jesus did not rise from the dead on Sunday.
The word "trinity" is not found in the Bible. The Holy Spirit is never mentioned as being a person.
The Scriptures do not state that humans are immortal, or that we possess an immortal soul.
Heaven is not now, nor has it ever been, the destination of humans.
The Bible doesn't state that humans will burn in hell forever, or that we will pop and sizzle like a piece of bacon while there.
Those in the 2nd resurrection are not resurrected to be sentenced, but to be judged--there is a huge difference.
Most churches teach that the Israelites and Jews are synonymous, but the Bible teaches us that Israel was conquered and deported 135 years before Judah was. They are no longer the same people.

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jar
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Message 152 of 451 (760569)
06-23-2015 11:19 AM
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06-23-2015 11:16 AM


Re: still trying to define what Christianity is.
Again, it may be interesting what you believe but it also tells us nothing about "What is Christianity?"
It may tell us what YOU think Christianity is but other than that it has no worth or value.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 153 of 451 (760571)
06-23-2015 11:54 AM
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06-23-2015 11:16 AM


Re: still trying to define what Christianity is.
ou claim to be a Christian; yet, you do not seem to understand anything about Christ.
List removed with the exception of the one issue related directly to Jesus Christ:
Jesus did not rise from the dead on Sunday.
So according to you, the things that separates you from people merely professing Christianity is a bunch of beliefs having only a peripheral relationship to Jesus Christ.
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ABE:
I just re-read the OP for this thread. I find that jar specifically asked that we not criticize whatever belief someone else posted. Accordingly I have edited this response to remove the more critical component. I have left in my observation.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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jar
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Message 154 of 451 (760574)
06-23-2015 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by NoNukes
06-23-2015 11:54 AM


who is a doctor or a Lion or an Elk?
If I wanted to know if someone really was a doctor and not just claiming to be a doctor then I can consult the licensing boards to see if the individual really is recognized as a doctor. The same process works in other areas as well, someone recognized as a member of the Elks International is an Elk and someone recognized as a Lion by the Lion International is a Lion.
We could make similar claims about Christianity; according to the Bible Jesus said that Peter would create his church and the Church in Rome was acknowledged as the First among Equals. Based on that we could say members of Chapters of Club Christian that are part of the Apostolic Succession are Christians.
That leaves out a whole bunch of chapters though that are not part of the Apostolic Succession; it leaves out all of the JWs, the Millerites and their successors and in fact most Protestant churches so that seems too restrictive a definition.
That brings us back to the membership definition as the only possible determining factor. If someone claims to be a Christian and can point to membership is a chapter (even an unrecognized and self identified chapter) of Club Christian then that person is a Christian.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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NoNukes
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Message 155 of 451 (760580)
06-23-2015 12:50 PM
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06-23-2015 12:14 PM


Re: who is a doctor or a Lion or an Elk?
That brings us back to the membership definition as the only possible determining factor. If someone claims to be a Christian and can point to membership is a chapter (even an unrecognized and self identified chapter) of Club Christian then that person is a Christian.
Only possible? I cannot accept that.
I wouldn't exclude people who can point to membership. I just don't believe it is necessary to do anything other than follow Jesus teachings to be a Christian. A person might make the decision to follow Christ first and the decision to join a chapter separately or not at all. If that's enough to constitute membership, then we agree. But then the membership requirement would seem to be mere lip service.
Based on that we could say members of Chapters of Club Christian that are part of the Apostolic Succession are Christians.
Wouldn't that also leave out those churches that Paul founded?
What are we trying to count here anyway?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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jar
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Message 156 of 451 (760586)
06-23-2015 1:24 PM
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06-23-2015 12:50 PM


Re: who is a doctor or a Lion or an Elk?
NN writes:
I just don't believe it is necessary to do anything other than follow Jesus teachings to be a Christian. A person might make the decision to follow Christ first and the decision to join a chapter separately or not at all. If that's enough to constitute membership, then we agree.
The problem is there is no single list of what were Jesus' teachings. Even the Bible itself gives us variations on that as seen in the Gospels and Great Commission.
NN writes:
Wouldn't that also leave out those churches that Paul founded?
No. There were quite a few meetings where the Churches Paul founded were recognized as valid chapters of Club Christian but primacy given to the Church in Rome.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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NoNukes
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Message 157 of 451 (760587)
06-23-2015 1:39 PM
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06-23-2015 1:24 PM


Re: who is a doctor or a Lion or an Elk?
The problem is there is no single list of what were Jesus' teachings. Even the Bible itself gives us variations on that as seen in the Gospels and Great Commission.
I understand the difficulty. Does not change my mind that the teachings are the primary aspect. As a first take, I'd go with the red letter text in the NT as a working definition. I'm sure there are other sources, but I'd want to hear the arguments pro/con.
Other definitions might be useful depending on the context. ISIS is looking to cut off a Christian's head, they might use one definition. If instead a man was looking for someone to accompany him on to mission to talk about Jesus, he might use a different definition.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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jar
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Message 158 of 451 (760592)
06-23-2015 2:58 PM
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06-23-2015 1:39 PM


Re: who is a doctor or a Lion or an Elk?
NN writes:
Does not change my mind that the teachings are the primary aspect. As a first take, I'd go with the red letter text in the NT as a working definition.
But I'm still lost trying to see how this helps as an identifier. The first "Red Letter" version of the Bible was only printed around the turn of the last century so it's a pretty recent development nor does that give us a way to measure whether or not an individual is following the teachings.
NN writes:
Other definitions might be useful depending on the context. ISIS is looking to cut off a Christian's head, they might use one definition. If instead a man was looking for someone to accompany him on to mission to talk about Jesus, he might use a different definition.
Not sure that helps much either. ISIS might be looking just as we are to find a way to determine who is a Christian and who is not. Would your proposal help them?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 159 of 451 (760593)
06-23-2015 3:34 PM
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06-23-2015 12:50 PM


Re: who is a doctor or a Lion or an Elk?
NoNukes writes:
I just don't believe it is necessary to do anything other than follow Jesus teachings to be a Christian.
Would that include an atheist who from culture and nurturing follows Jesus' teachings? How about a Muslim?

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.
Micah 6:8

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Message 160 of 451 (760598)
06-23-2015 4:46 PM
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06-23-2015 12:50 PM


Re: who is a doctor or a Lion or an Elk?
I just don't believe it is necessary to do anything other than follow Jesus teachings to be a Christian.
Except for the teachings that require some devotion to his dad, the same could be said of a Secular Humanist.

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Rocky.C
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Message 161 of 451 (760636)
06-24-2015 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by jar
06-21-2015 11:12 AM


Re: still trying to define what Christianity is.
There are four verses in the NT that preachers use to support Sunday being the new Sabbath, or Lord's Day. But, what do these verses actually say?
Let's see!
The first is in John 20:19
"19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you."
"See," they say. The disciples were assembled on Sunday!
What they fail to point out is that the disciples were hiding from the Jews; they were not holding a church service. To say they were is being dishonest.
Please Read Mark 16:14 The disciples were not even aware at that time that Jesus had risen.
"14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen."
The second verses are found in Acts 20:7-11,13
"7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
8 And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.
9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead.
10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.
11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed....
13 And we went before to ship, and sailed unto Assos, there intending to take in Paul: for so had he appointed, minding himself to go afoot."
This was a special one-time farewell meeting and meal--nothing more. This would have taken place on what we call Saturday night. The following morning, being a Sunday, Paul walked 20 miles to Assos.
Notice verse 13.
Paul walked 20 miles on Sunday. If Sunday was the new Lord's Day, then how dare Paul labor so extensively on that day.
Verse 11 says that they "broke bread" and ate a meal.
In first century Palestine bread was not sliced; it was broken. The following verses (which by no means is complete) clearly show that "breaking bread," constituted eating a meal.
Acts 2:46; Luke 9:16-17; Matthew 14:19 & 15:36; Mark 6:41 & 8:6.
Paul was leaving his dear friends and he might never see them again. This was simply a farewell meal, after which Paul walked 20 miles during daylight hours on Sunday.
The third such scripture is found in 1Corinthians 16:1-4
"1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
4 And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me."
This was a one-time gathering for Whom? For the saints in Jerusalem, who were going through a severe drought and famine--Romans 15:25-28.
Paul was asking the Corinthians to gather grain, fruit, nuts, etc..., which he would collect (several others were coming with him in order to transport these goods, which wouldn't be necessary if only money was involved) when he came.
To gather these fruits, grain, and nuts would involve labor. What specific day did Paul ask them to exert this labor? Why Sunday of course--the first day of the week. This certainly doesn't sound like a Sabbath to me.
The fourth passage is found in Revelation 1:10
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
This is not referring worship service. It is a reference to the "Day of the Lord"--mentioned more than 30 times in Bible prophecy. If it was speaking of a specific day of the week, that day would be the true Sabbath Day--Saturday, the seventh day of the week.
Only one day is ever called the Lord's Day, and that is the Sabbath.
Read Mark 2:28
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Christ called the Sabbath "My holy day...the holy day of the Lord
Isaiah 58:13.
In Exodus 20:10 God says about the Sabbath "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God"
The Sabbath is not our day; it is the Lord's Day.

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jar
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Message 162 of 451 (760642)
06-24-2015 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Rocky.C
06-24-2015 7:39 AM


Re: still trying to define what Christianity is.
Again, you are simply telling us what YOUR chapter of Club Christian believes but that tells us nothing about "What is Christianity?"

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 163 of 451 (760643)
06-24-2015 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Rocky.C
06-24-2015 7:39 AM


Sunday worship and SDA legalism
You did a good job of showing the New Testament basis for Sunday worship, while denying it.
Ellen G. White must be your inspiration, right?
What do you do with the fact that ALL the Christian churches worshiped on Sunday in the early years?
This guy I quote next sorts it out pretty well: The Sabbath is a day of rest, not of worship. Worship can be done on any day of the week. The early church made it Sunday which has been universal ever since, except for the SDAs of course. Those who attribute the origin of Sunday worship to the Roman Church are wrong because the RCC didn't exist in the early centuries as we know it today, the papacy only becoming official in 606 AD.
In the early centuries, Christians everywhere worshipped on Sunday. We know that from Christian writers who described ancient worship, such as Justin Martyr, who died in 157. All ancient churches, from Gaul to Armenia, had their main worship service on Sunday.
Why did ancient Christians worship on Sunday?
Sunday was the universal day of Christian worship because it is the day of the Resurrection, the day after the Sabbath, and the Feast of Firstfruitswhich is why Paul calls Jesus’ resurrection the firstfruits of the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20). Since it is the first day of the week, it is also the eighth day of the previous week, the day of the new creation (the allusion in 2 Corinthians 5:17).
The Sabbath commandment does not require worship, it prohibits work. Worship can occur on any day. The synagogue originated during the Babylonian Captivity, not as a place of worship, but as an school to preserve Jewish heritage and religion in a foreign land.
In the first century, many Christians, both Jews and gentile God-fearers, continued to attend synagogue instruction on the Sabbath and then attended Christian worship on Sunday. Since the Roman week was ten days long at the time, Sunday didn’t always fall on the Roman weekend, so services were held before sunrise. In the 90s, the rabbis excommunicated the Christians and inserted wording into the synagogue liturgy that would make Christians very uncomfortable, even if they did attend. So we were left with just Sunday.
When Christianity became dominant in an area, it was common for larger churches to hold worship services on all days of the week.
Why do some people call Sunday the Sabbath?
The Sabbath is, of course, Saturday. As the Church grew and Christians came to outnumber Jews, there was talk of Sunday being like a Christian Sabbath. From there it was a short step to talk of Sunday as if it were the Sabbath. That’s not a bad comparison of the church and the synagogue. Sunday is not and it never has been the Sabbath.
HERE's another discussion:
But with Jesus’ atonement, we are no longer required to keep the Law. We are not under Law, but grace (Rom. 6:14-15). The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus. He is our rest. We are not under obligation, by Law, to keep it and this goes for the Sabbath as well. It is not a requirement that we keep the Sabbath. If it were, then we would still be under the Law, but we are not.
We are not to make an issue out of which day of the week any church chooses for their worship service, so SDAs are within their rights to worship on Saturday, but we can and should raise questions about the SDAs denying Christian freedom and bringing their people back under the law by making Sabbath worship mandatory. It is a serious violation of the gospel of grace to require the observance of the Law, it's the same offense the Judaizers committed by requiring circumcision of converts, which prompted Paul to condemn them severely. They were depriving Christians of the true grace of faith and bringing them under the damnation of the Law.
Those who believe that Saturday worship is essential to salvation may in fact not be saved because they are denying the pure grace of Christ's atonement and His fulfillment of every jot and tittle of the Law.
The essential answer to the question of What is Christianity is the preaching of the gospel of salvation by grace through faith in Christ's death for us, which is really THE definition of a Christian church.
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Message 164 of 451 (760647)
06-24-2015 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by jar
06-21-2015 11:12 AM


Re: still trying to define what Christianity is.
Mainstream preachers (some who are genuinely deceived and others who are deliberately deceitful) tell us that Christ was in the tomb for 36 hours, which constitutes two nights and one whole day.
Furthermore, they would have us believe that the phrase "3 days and three night" is a Greek idiom, which says that even the most minute portion of a day or night can represent and entire day or night. Hence they count the quickly fading light on Friday as one day; they count Saturday as one day; and, they count early Sunday morning (even though it was still dark when they found the empty tomb)as one day. From this they get 3 days.
Even with this scenario, how can they come up with 3 nights from Friday and Saturday Nights. This is not the kind of math I was brought up with.
Let's look at every scripture that deals with the length of time Jesus was to be in the heart of the earth.
In the following verses the term "the third day" is used:
Matthew: 16:21; 17:23 & 20:19. Mark 9:31 & 10:34. Luke 9:22; 18:33 & 24:7.
The term "in 3 days" is used in Matthew 26:61; Mark 15:29; & John 2:19-20.
"Within 3 days" is found in Mark 14:58.
"After 3 days is used in Matthew 27:63 & Mark 8:31
I want to make a few facts clear here: God's days began in the evening. Genesis 1:5, 8,13...etc. Exodus 12:18 & Leviticus 23:5,32.
Also, Jesus was well aware of how many hours were in a day and how many were in a night.
John 11:9-10
9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.
From the expression "the third day," "in 3 days," and "within 3 days" we can determine that the length of time for Christ to be in the tomb was between 48 and 72 hours. Any other amount of time would not fit the phrases.
The expression "after 3 days" is another quantifier. The term simply means that it had to be at least 72 hours to be at the very end of 3 days. It could have been more except for the fact that the other phrases does not permit this to be the case.
In Matthew 12 the religious leaders asked Jesus for a sign which would prove that he was the Messiah. They challenged him to, as the expression goes, put up or shut up. Let's read these verses.
Matthew 12:38-40
"38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
From His own mouth Jesus said that He would be just 3 days and 3 night in the tomb. And, the Book of Jonah was written in Hebrew not Greek--no Greek idiom.
Jesus was staking his very credibility on this one sign. And, that sign wasn't His resurrection; although, that was the climax to it. He was staking everything on the "amount of time" that He would remain in the grave before He resurrected.
Just as it was in Genesis 1:13 where a total of 3 evenings and 3 mornings made up 3 days, the same can be said about Jesus remaining in the grave.
The only way everything about the resurrection comes into agreement is when we accept the time as being 72 hours--no more and no less.

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jar
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Message 165 of 451 (760648)
06-24-2015 10:29 AM
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06-24-2015 10:23 AM


Re: still trying to define what Christianity is.
Again, you are just proselytizing. That tells us nothing and adds no value to the discussion.
There are other chapters of Club Christian that disagree with your position, yet they are still Christians.
So "What is Christianity?"

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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