Is it time to consider compulsory vaccinations?

We were having a discussion here and my wife pointed out that the IMR and VR rates for Oregon and Mississippi seemed to indicate a connection between the 2. With Oregon having the highest refusal rates and the lowest IMR and Miss with the reverse.I referred to someone's previous example of global warming and pirates to show that things that look connected are not always connected. I made the graph to see if there was a trend. I then realized that I don't really know what would qualify as a trend beyond the visual appearance of the graph (which can be easily changed) and was asking how you figure out if something is statistically significant.I then wondered if failing to prove a connection is actually proof that there is not a connection. In other words, if there were a connection wouldn't it be much more evident.

Obviously because I didn't see them, and obviously because he hid them in such a way it made them hard to see. Normally one tries to highlight links so they won't be missed. Dr. A has a penchant for making things as difficult as possible, such as by making cryptic comments without explanation as well as hiding his links.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I would have no reason to doubt a statement that someone had received whistleblower status, and nothing you've said proves he didn't, but it doesn't really matter. You are simply putting up a smokescreen here by making a big deal out of a side point.Thompson was recorded without his knowledge and didn't seek publicity for his remorse about participating in the research fraud, or whistleblower status or any of it. That doesn't change the fact that he did tell Hooker about the fraud (parts of the recording are given in the film and in the video at the last link I posted), and he expressed deep remorse about his participation in it, and that's the important thing here which you seem to be determined to obscure.Nevertheless he seems unwilling to accuse the CDC of fraudulent tactics, wants to emphasize the importance of vaccination and so on. A man suffering from moral conflict it seems. But again, the important part is his admission of fraud in eliminating data that would have shown a high risk of autism in black children vaccinated before a certain age, and he clearly is remorseful over his participation in that fraud.In the film he is asked if he had anything to do with the 1999 research headed by Thomas Verstraeten* that I reported on earlier, in Message 827, that went through so many versions before they considered it politically safe to publish it, and it was interesting that he laughed and said no and what a circus that was, "a total circus." A tacit admission that such tactics are common in the CDC research world wouldn't you say? Not funny though since it allowed them to lie about the very high relative risk of autism they found in their initial study that could have changed policy or at least warned the public of the dangers involved.===
ABE: * HERE'S A GOOGLE PAGE ON HIMIn the film this study is discussed starting about 38:30.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

That is why things like this are left to the professionals.

Daily Caller. Wow. Now there's a trustworthy reference.

Typical ad hominem, interested only in obscuring information aren't you?I gave other references as well.

10 mg/kg is on the order of a lethal dose for a healthy person.I still haven't seen the paper... if I PM an address will you send it? If not, how was cause of death determined?

Known wacko sites are not good sources. Yes, in later messages. It will take time for me to track them down and evaluate them. It would be easier if you gave actual citations.Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

It is pretty clear that you are, yet again, totally wrong. It only took a minute with google to find enough to satisfy myself (but never you, not never, ever) that this is another utterly bogus claim.I don't know why people bother.

Links are highlighted automatically, and the links were highlighted. In one case the entire message was the link.I saw immediately that they were links because they were highlighted as links. Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

Everyone except you saw them as links at first glance. Maybe you just didn't want to see them.

Your innocent trust in the research is touching, but I've lost my innocence with respect to such reports. Yes, it appears there is no way to know for sure what caused the death of B.H. I'm cynical enough by now of course to doubt that these patients had no symptoms of mercury poisoning but apparently you take it all straight. You would like us to consider that perhaps others of the 22 who were given Thimerosal, in an unusually high dose, didn't even die at all, but just the mention that one of them lasted 62 days rather strongly implies that none of the rest made it even that far. So the conclusion that all 22 died isn't at all unreasonable, especially given other information about the effects of Thimerosal, even that it was rejected as a preservative for serums given to dogs, which is reported in the film, backed up by a document. It's a little hard to accept that a high dose of the stuff would be tolerated by very sick people better than by dogs, but the claim of no toxic effect whatever is what they want us to believe.

WHAT is an "utterly bogus claim?" The man confessed to fraud, what is it you are denying?You really need to show what you are talking about. This habit of making cryptic remarks that can't be tracked down is not acceptable debate.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I didn't see the links, sorry.

Yes I saw your screen shot already and that's why I went back to find the links. Nevertheless I had not seen them earlier.