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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Which demonstrates that happening to be right is not the only thing that matters.
quote: Which is why guessing right every time - if it really is guessing - is not a problem for free will either. In so far as your post is relevant it only reinforces my point.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Which is why guessing right every time - if it really is guessing - is not a problem for free will either. Which was my point in Message 174.Love your enemies!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Really? I thought you were just asking a silly question because you couldn't be bothered to understand the arguments.
Even the subthread title says "knowing" - and guessing is not knowing.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Even the subthread title says "knowing" - and guessing is not knowing. We can get there if you'd like. Or you could continue to fling insults and waste thread space going in circles. Take your pick.Love your enemies!
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Phat Member Posts: 18343 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: Because God loves. Why does anyone have a favorite pet? What possible reason could you imagine would make humans "more attractive" than germs? But if the God is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen, why would it favor humans over pond scum?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Two points. First phrasing a point so obvious that it's hardly worth saying as a question is not a good way to get productive conversation. Second it's up to you to make progress to meeting your point. And so far I see no sign of any effort in that direction.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Phat writes: jar writes: Because God loves. Why does anyone have a favorite pet? What possible reason could you imagine would make humans "more attractive" than germs? But if the God is the creator of all that is, seen and unseen, why would it favor humans over pond scum? Why do people have a favorite pet? I've had and have lots of pets but none have been my favorite. But also I did not create the pets. I cannot imagine any reason that would make humans "more attractive" than germs if both were my creations. But Phat, what does any of this have to do with the topic or are we back to "God is Phat's servant" again?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Jon Inactive Member |
I cannot imagine any reason that would make humans "more attractive" than germs if both were my creations. Are you equally proud of all your accomplishments?Love your enemies!
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Clearly not, because according to your theology if we disagree with him we go directly to hell. Once again, a choice between ice cream and a sharp stick in the eye is NOT a free choice.
His allowing us to even have free will was allowing us to even have a point of view apart from His. Perhaps He wanted us to have the freedom to disagree with Him.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Guessing and knowing are analogous in that both are mental states and nothing else.
Love your enemies!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Guessing and knowing (neither of which is purely a mental state) are different in ways directly relevant to the arguments of this thread. Pointing out a similarity, even if it were correct would not change that.
Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Jon writes: Are you equally proud of all your accomplishments? Of course. Why would I prefer one accomplishment over another?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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Why would I prefer one accomplishment over another? Some are better than others. I'm more proud of earning my degree than I am of showing up to work on time today.
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jar Member (Idle past 421 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I never graded such things but if you do, that's fine.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Guessing and knowing (neither of which is purely a mental state) are different in ways directly relevant to the arguments of this thread. Nonsense. The knowledge folks had of the Sun going around the Earth didn't change the fact that the Earth goes around the Sun. Neither did anyone's guesses on the matter. The effect of both knowledge and guesses on reality is nonexistent. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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