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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
If the laws are that badly written that those corporations and religions can get away with their lies and their fleeing of the public then they should be scrapped for a new law. If the law is deemed to be good then enforcement should be the rule of the day. Otherwise, the government should be clear as to what it deems moral or not in terms of value for $ for the givers and force the companies to put up if they can or get out of the lying business if they cannot. RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
I asked you to be specific. Since YOU are the one who deems the current law inadequate, you need to propose specific improvements.
If the laws are that badly written that those corporations and religions can get away with their lies and their fleeing of the public then they should be scrapped for a new law. Greatest I am writes:
Since when is the government in the business of guaranteeing value for $?
Otherwise, the government should be clear as to what it deems moral or not in terms of value for $ for the givers and force the companies to put up if they can or get out of the lying business if they cannot.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
"Since when is the government in the business of guaranteeing value for $?" Since the time that they decided to be the ones to control the tax exemptions. What governments need do is set a minimum return to the charity or disallow the tax break. To do less is complicity in fraud as far as I am concerned. RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Tax exemptions have nothing to do with value for $. Charities are tax exempt because taxes would be just another drain on the money getting to the needy.
"Since when is the government in the business of guaranteeing value for $?" Since the time that they decided to be the ones to control the tax exemptions. Greatest I am writes:
They've done that. The minimum is > 0. If you get nothing in return for your $, that's fraud. But if you get something, it's buyer beware.
What governments need do is set a minimum return to the charity or disallow the tax break.
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jar Member (Idle past 420 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Actually, the whole thread is silly and does not address the issue. There has been no evidence presented of anyone lying, no evidence of any fraud, removing tax exemptions from charities would have no effects on any of the examples given and so as usual, GIAs stuff is just another example of ignorance of the issues.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
As to your first amendment. If it was well written in the first place, no amendments would have been required. Yet another in a line of inane arguments. Plonk. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
Do you think 0% to be a moral % and reason enough for you and I to have to pay the tax burden that that charity is putting into it's own pocket? RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
I said greater than 0%. Do you think 0% to be a moral %... Where do you draw the line? How do you calculate what percentage is moral and what is not?
Greatest I am writes:
You're talking to the wrong socialist. I think out tax dollars should be doing most of what the charities are doing.
... reason enough for you and I to have to pay the tax burden that that charity is putting into it's own pocket?
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
I agree. That way our funds are not supporting fat cats and their Cadillacs and pleasure cruisers. RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
Then why aren't you proposing that the government do the work of charities instead of making more rules to regulate them?
I agree. That way our funds are not supporting fat cats and their Cadillacs and pleasure cruisers.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
Many reasons but the main one is cross border NGO's are better accepted all ove4r the world than GO's. Some of the charities work well and bringing others to that standard of excellence is better than throwing out the baby with the bath water. RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
So we're back to square one: What specifically are you proposing? We already have laws against fraud and what these charities are doing is not deemed as fraud. So what changes do you propose?
Some of the charities work well and bringing others to that standard of excellence is better than throwing out the baby with the bath water.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ringo
If any legal part of government and it's legal staff is looking at those numbers and do not see fraud, then we need a new definition for fraud based on morality because the list I gave shows clearly that what we presently accept and do prosecute is not moral. I do not know how the laws of various countries are written but this present situation is pure corruption from MPOV. RegardsDL
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes:
On the contrary, the definition of fraud IS based on what WE as a society consider moral (or at least enforceable). If YOU don't consider it moral, boo hoo.
... we need a new definition for fraud based on morality because the list I gave shows clearly that what we presently accept and do prosecute is not moral.
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