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Author Topic:   What if Satan reformed?
ringo
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Message 214 of 234 (766202)
08-14-2015 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Phat
08-14-2015 1:34 AM


Re: Changing My Mind....Again
Phat writes:
My point in connection with this is that IF Satan reformed, he would not reform by trying his best to become a Saint. He would reform by surrendering.
So the goal isn't about being good at all? It's about being an obedient slave?

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 216 of 234 (766204)
08-14-2015 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Faith
08-14-2015 12:32 PM


Re: Changing My Mind....Again
Faith writes:
Like Bob Dylan said, "Ya gotta serve somebody," makes all the difference who.
quote:
"You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride...."
The thing is, it's hard to tell whom you're serving. That's why, "By their works ye shall know them."

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 220 of 234 (766239)
08-15-2015 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by Faith
08-14-2015 3:09 PM


Re: Changing My Mind....Again
Faith writes:
I know who I'm serving.
quote:
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Faith writes:
By the way, keeping in mind that the subject of the statement about fruits is false prophets, what fruits do you ascribe to me that you think deserve such nastiness?
What nastiness? You're the one who claims to "know" whom I'M serving.
But since you ask:
quote:
Galatians 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
I don't see a lot of those in you.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 222 of 234 (766241)
08-15-2015 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Phat
08-15-2015 1:24 AM


Re: Tit for Tat
Phat writes:
First of all, Jesus and Jesus alone was able to deny Himself fully and surrender to His Father.
Nonsense. He was reluctant to die on the cross:
quote:
Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
And when He was ON the cross:
quote:
Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
He was pretty human.
Phat writes:
Good works are produced in one who has surrendered.
More nonsense. Those of you who claim to have surrendered are constantly arguing AGAINST good works.
Phat writes:
No Master stands ready to whip you should you fail to do your best.
But He does stand ready -according to you - to send you to Hell, even if you DO do your best, if you don't PROFESS your surrender.
Phat writes:
If satan surrendered, he would again become Lucifer...another angel with unique and special gifts willfully used for the fathers glory.
Satan always used his gifts for the Father's glory. The Fall of Satan, like the Fall of Man, is a story with a message that fundamentalists choose to ignore.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 224 of 234 (766243)
08-15-2015 12:09 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Faith
08-15-2015 11:54 AM


Re: Changing My Mind....Again
Faith writes:
... I'd bet if you detailed exactly what indicates my lack of this or that quality it would be from an unbeliever's perspective as I already discussed, not a believer's.
That's exactly the problem. You've constructed a belief system in which you can do no wrong.
Faith writes:
Meekness, for instance, is obedience to God rather than man. Bet that wouldn't be your definition.
Well, of course not. Anybody can be meek toward God. Billions of members of "wrong" religions are meek toward God.
Where meekness is an actual virtue is where it's difficult:
quote:
2 Timothy 2:24-26 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 225 of 234 (766244)
08-15-2015 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by Faith
08-15-2015 12:09 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
Faith writes:
What Jesus knew in Gethsemane was coming against Him would have killed YOU just to think it if you'd had to face it.
At least two others were crucified alongside Jesus. What they faced was greater than what He faced because they had no promise of resurrection.
Faith writes:
For Jesus who had enjoyed close communion with the Father all His life to be forsaken by Him on the cross was a loss you couldn't even imagine since you never had to experience such a thing.
You make Jesus sound like a child who can't stand to be away from mommy for an hour.
Faith writes:
Nobody argues against good works as the result of salvation, only that they aren't the means of salvation.
That's exactly the problem. You treat good works as a natural result of your magical salvation, so you don't have to put any effort into it. I don't even believe in salvation; I treat good works as the right thing to do, for EVERYBODY.
Faith writes:
And that's absolute nonsense the idea that He sends anyone to Hell at all....
Sorry, YOUR nonsense won't fly for anybody but the get-out-of-hell-free crowd. God dug the tiger trap; He's responsible for anybody falling into it.
Faith writes:
Your theology is rotten.
It isn't my theology; it's the Bible's theology, as opposed to your commentators' theology.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 233 of 234 (766301)
08-16-2015 2:18 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by Faith
08-15-2015 9:26 PM


Re: Tit for Tat
Faith writes:
Remember, He took the sins of all of us into Himself to atone for them, He took OUR punishment, not just the punishment of a thief, He endured being forsaken of God for all of us, which has been our lot since Adam sinned.
I remember that fiction.
Faith writes:
Who said it takes no effort to do good works?
I didn't say it takes no effort. I said that many professing Christians put no effort into it.
You, however, do seem to think that good works are automatic if you are "saved". Of course we know that isn't true. Christians have no monopoly on good works. Followers of other religions and even atheists do good works as frequently or more frequently.
Faith writes:
Works done in the power of God count, those done in the flesh don't....
So you're re-defining good works. According to you, good works are not just works that are good; they're something that you do "in the power of God". Does it matter whether they're good or not?
I'm not sure whether that's moving the goalposts or "No True Good Works".
Faith writes:
He saves people from the Hell they are going to from their own will.
I choose not to go to Hell, so I must not be going.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 432 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 234 of 234 (766302)
08-16-2015 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Faith
08-15-2015 10:37 PM


Re: Theology is the Queen of the Sciences
Faith writes:
Wish I could remember where he said that....
That should be your signature.

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