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Author Topic:   Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?
Greatest I am
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Message 76 of 424 (767023)
08-25-2015 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
08-25-2015 10:59 AM


Faith
Perfect even though your do not see it.
How brain dead you are.
Regards
DL

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ringo
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Message 77 of 424 (767024)
08-25-2015 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Greatest I am
08-25-2015 7:43 AM


Greatest I am writes:
If works and deeds are required for true love, the both parties would need to act thus reciprocity must ne there or at least the desire must be assumed.
Nonsense. For example, if my neighbour's garbage can gets knocked over and spilled, I can clean up the mess without him even knowing about it. No reciprocity needed.
Greatest I am writes:
There are not many wartime stories of someone helping the enemy....
On the contrary, every civilized nation gives medical aid to soldiers from both sides.
Greatest I am writes:
... such traitorous acts do not occur unless the perpetrator does not see the enemy as the enemy.
More nonsense. Humane treatment of enemy wounded is required by international convention. You're the only one who sees it as treason.

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ringo
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Message 78 of 424 (767025)
08-25-2015 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Faith
08-25-2015 10:09 AM


Faith writes:
Eye for an eye is indeed an obvious expression of perfect justice, which is what criminal prosecution should aim for.
Jesus disagrees:
quote:
Matthew 5:38-42 Ye have heard that it hath been said , An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law , and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also. And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
If a burglar steals your TV, track him down and give him your DVD player too.

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Greatest I am
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Message 79 of 424 (767026)
08-25-2015 11:58 AM
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08-25-2015 11:50 AM


^^
Quite the reach.
Forced aid is hardly loving the enemy.
Regards
DL

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ringo
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Message 80 of 424 (767027)
08-25-2015 12:03 PM
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08-25-2015 11:58 AM


Greatest I am writes:
Forced aid is hardly loving the enemy.
What are you talking about? How is helping a wounded soldier "forced"? How is helping the enemy wounded less loving than helping the friendly wounded?

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Message 81 of 424 (767049)
08-25-2015 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by ringo
08-25-2015 11:57 AM


Ringo, I already answered that claim, I'm not going to answer it again.

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Message 82 of 424 (767050)
08-25-2015 2:23 PM
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08-25-2015 11:49 AM


Yes, perfect though I can't see it because my faith tells me God can't do anything that's not perfect.
I really don't want to see people suffer, but sometimes I can't wait at leest to see God tell off some people on Judgment Day. It will make me very happy to see Him tell you how wrong you are and you have to take it.

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Greatest I am
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Message 83 of 424 (767061)
08-25-2015 5:03 PM
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08-25-2015 12:03 PM


ringo
Doing something so as not to be charged with a war crime is not love.
Further, we are talking of individuals loving and the deeds are only going the one way in the scenario you envisage.
Regards
DL

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Greatest I am
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Message 84 of 424 (767062)
08-25-2015 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
08-25-2015 2:23 PM


Faith
You hate quite a bit based on faith.
Nice that you admit that faith has blinded you.
Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.
Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.
The God of the OT says, Come now, and let us reason together, [Isaiah 1:18]
How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?
Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.
Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.
This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.
Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths. We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses. Their faith also plugs their ears.
Regards
DL

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Faith 
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Message 85 of 424 (767065)
08-25-2015 5:29 PM
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08-25-2015 5:07 PM


The God of the OT says, Come now, and let us reason together, [Isaiah 1:18]
How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?
Reason and logic are not incompatible with faith. Only unbelieving ignorami think that.
Hebrews 11:6: But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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Also, hate is a good thing when you hate the things God hates. You call things evil that God calls good, and vice versa.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Greatest I am
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Message 86 of 424 (767066)
08-25-2015 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
08-25-2015 5:29 PM


Faith
And you call the evil God does good and give as your excuse your stupidity that you say God gave you.
As to logic and faith being compatible. No way as shown by your own founding father, Martin Luther.
But go ahead and call him a liar. On that I will agree because all priests and imams lie constantly.
Neil Tyson is a lot brighter than you or I and he agrees with me.
Not that you care because if you did, you could not hate as much as you want to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRHefbIgKxk
Regards
DL

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Message 87 of 424 (767067)
08-25-2015 8:04 PM
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08-25-2015 5:43 PM


Righteous hatred is a good thing.
But nobody could hate anything as much as you hate God and His truth.

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Taq
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Message 88 of 424 (767069)
08-25-2015 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Faith
08-21-2015 8:13 PM


Refusing to recognize gay marriage is now a crime.
No, it isn't.

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Greatest I am
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Message 89 of 424 (767070)
08-25-2015 8:27 PM
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08-25-2015 8:04 PM


Faith
What God and what truth can an idol worshiper like you possibly know when you have said that you are too stupid to judge your God yet have judged him good?
Your self delusion is to be pitied as you think I hate an imaginary God.
I would not care what idiocy you believe if your ilk and religion was not a homophobic and misogynous one that does much harm to others.
Regards
DL
Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

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Message 90 of 424 (767071)
08-25-2015 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Faith
08-21-2015 8:40 PM


Chrjstian businesses asked to perform a service for a gay wedding were already being treated as criminal for refusing to do so before the SCOTUS decision; that can only increase.
The same laws also prevent businesses from discriminating against customers based on their religious beliefs, including those who worship idols and gods other than the christian God. In a country ruled by "christian law", would businesses be allowed to discriminate against hindus because of their sin of worshiping gods other than the God of the Bible?
Now, if the authorities were inclined to, they could arrest a pastor for preaching from the parts of the Bible that affirm marriage as for one man and one woman and that homosexuality is a sin. For that matter, they could come knock on my door and inquire what my opinion of gay marriage is, and if I say it's a violation of God's law they could arrest me.
They could do no such thing. Making stuff up is not helping your argument.

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