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Topic: Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?
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Taq
Member Posts: 10028 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 91 of 424 (767072)
08-25-2015 8:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
08-25-2015 10:05 AM
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You misrepresent me. I'm no more "worried" about "what gays are doing" than the sins of heterosexuals. The reason gays are the focus so often here is the attempt to make their sin into something normal and to push "gay marriage." How is that any different than celebrating the rights of hindus to worship deities other than those allowed by the Bible?
If you want to focus on hetero sins, yes they are also sins, but nobody is trying to make them normal yet. It isn't normal for US citizens to be hindus? If christian law were enforced, would they be banned from being hindu?
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1463 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 92 of 424 (767073)
08-25-2015 8:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 88 by Taq
08-25-2015 8:26 PM
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Refusing to recognize gay marriage is now a crime.
No, it isn't. Funny then that Christians seem to agree that it is. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10028 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 93 of 424 (767074)
08-25-2015 8:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
08-25-2015 8:24 AM
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Sexual crimes undermine community, and blur the meaning of marriage as a reflection of the uniting of Christ with His Bride. You may think them trivial; God does not. Does God have no problem with people worshiping Vishnu?
Ancient Israel was God's chosen people, representing Him in the world against all the other nations that followed the religions invented by the devil since the Fall. Having the entire community come together to stone to death the violators was a way of giving cohesiveness to the community, to impress on them the immediacy and importance of violations of His Law, and give them no escape from their own personal responsibility for upholding it. His Law = Stone the Hindus ?
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Taq
Member Posts: 10028 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 94 of 424 (767075)
08-25-2015 8:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 92 by Faith
08-25-2015 8:33 PM
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Funny then that Christians seem to agree that it is. Does the legality of Hinduism force you to accept Vishnu as a real deity?
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Greatest I am
Member (Idle past 293 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: 01-24-2007
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Message 95 of 424 (767076)
08-25-2015 8:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 92 by Faith
08-25-2015 8:33 PM
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Faith Gays do not care if you do not recognize gays as equal or their union. They do if you discriminate against then because of it. We do not care how deluded you are but do when your ilk do evil and call it good. Like discriminating agaisn gays or anyone else without a just cause. If a gay business refused to serve you due to your immoral beliefs or life style, you would be the first to scream foul. Regards DL
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1463 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 96 of 424 (767077)
08-25-2015 8:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 91 by Taq
08-25-2015 8:33 PM
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You misrepresent me. I'm no more "worried" about "what gays are doing" than the sins of heterosexuals. The reason gays are the focus so often here is the attempt to make their sin into something normal and to push "gay marriage."
How is that any different than celebrating the rights of hindus to worship deities other than those allowed by the Bible? Nobody is requiring Christians to practice Hinduism, but we are being required to accept homosexuality as normal and to recognize gay marriage as valid.
If you want to focus on hetero sins, yes they are also sins, but nobody is trying to make them normal yet.
It isn't normal for US citizens to be hindus? If christian law were enforced, would they be banned from being hindu? You aren't making any sense. Again, Christians aren't being required to accept Hinduism or practice it or treat it in any special way, but we are being required to treat homosexuality as normal and no longer call it a sin.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1463 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Christians are not objecting to homosexuality as a sin, sin is nobody's business. What has happened is that we are now required to actively deny that it is a sin and accept the idea that it is just a normal sexual variation, which contradicts the Bible; but the main thing is that we are required to treat gay marriage as valid. We will not. That makes us criminals.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10028 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 98 of 424 (767079)
08-25-2015 8:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 96 by Faith
08-25-2015 8:40 PM
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Nobody is requiring Christians to practice Hinduism, but we are being required to accept homosexuality as normal and to recognize gay marriage as valid. Nobody is requiring christians to practice homosexuality, but you are required to not discriminate against hindu couples in the same way that you are not allowed to discriminate against homosexual couples, at least in some states. How is that any different? If the law requires you to not discriminate against hindus, is that forcing you to sin?
Again, Christians aren't being required to accept Hinduism or practice it or treat it in any special way, but we are being required to treat homosexuality as normal and no longer call it a sin. You are being asked to treat them exactly the same. Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Taq
Member Posts: 10028 Joined: 03-06-2009 Member Rating: 5.3
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Message 99 of 424 (767080)
08-25-2015 8:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 97 by Faith
08-25-2015 8:42 PM
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What has happened is that we are now required to actively deny that it is a sin and accept the idea that it is just a normal sexual variation, No, you aren't.
but the main thing is that we are required to treat gay marriage as valid. In the same way that you are required to treat hinduism as a valid religion.
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Greatest I am
Member (Idle past 293 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: 01-24-2007
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Message 100 of 424 (767081)
08-25-2015 9:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 97 by Faith
08-25-2015 8:42 PM
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Faith How stupid. Where in the law does it say you cannot call it a sin? Regards DL
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1463 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 101 of 424 (767082)
08-25-2015 9:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 99 by Taq
08-25-2015 8:53 PM
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I'm not required to treat Hinduism as a "valid religion," whatever that means. Far as I know I can call Hinduism a satanic idolatrous religion without being treated like a criminal. But the same is not true if I say the Bible calls homosexuality a sin and makes gay marriage a violation of God's marriage ordinance.
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Coyote
Member (Idle past 2125 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: 01-12-2008
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Message 102 of 424 (767083)
08-25-2015 9:22 PM
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Theology...
Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn't there. Robert A. Heinlein, JOB: A Comedy of Justice
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 431 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 103 of 424 (767138)
08-26-2015 11:55 AM
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Reply to: Message 81 by Faith
08-25-2015 2:20 PM
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Faith writes: Ringo, I already answered that claim, I'm not going to answer it again.
I didn't make any claim. I just quoted Jesus. 
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ringo
Member (Idle past 431 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Greatest I am writes: Doing something so as not to be charged with a war crime is not love.
A soldier on the battlefield doesn't have to worry about war crimes. He could walk right past that wounded enemy and nobody would ever fault him for it. Many do - but some don't. They risk their own safety to help a fellow human being. If that isn't love, you have a strange definition of love.
Greatest I am writes: Further, we are talking of individuals loving and the deeds are only going the one way in the scenario you envisage.
That's exactly what I'm saying: Love certainly CAN go only one way; it does NOT have to be reciprocal.
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1463 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 105 of 424 (767146)
08-26-2015 12:38 PM
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Reply to: Message 103 by ringo
08-26-2015 11:55 AM
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I didn't make any claim. I just quoted Jesus. Oh fer.... What you quoted implied it answered what I said. It doesn't. Jesus was talking to individuals as usual, not to the criminal prosecutor of a state. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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