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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
There is no problem with heathen marriages. They are as valid as any other marriage. The requirement is one man, one woman, period. Yeah, fuck the First Commandment. That's not important to Christianity. What's important is hating gays (because Jesus said to love thy neighbor) cutting taxes for billionaires (because the love of money is the root of all evil) and making sure everyone has plenty of guns (they're useful for turning the other cheek).
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
How pathetic you are. And so many others here.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
How pathetic you are. And so many others here. What a well-thought out riposte. So witty, and yet so profound. C'mon, Faith, explain it to us. A gay wedding involves two people of the same sex getting married, which you object to on religious grounds. A Hindu wedding involves reading from false 'scriptures', bowing before idols, worshiping false gods and goddesses and making burnt offerings unto them, which, surely, you also object to on religious grounds. The two ceremonies would seem so far to be on the same footing. And yet you hasten to tell us that "there is no problem with heathen marriages", and that a marriage conducted in the name of the Supreme Lord Shiva and the Seven Mother Goddesses is "as valid as any other marriage" (you think God would agree with you there?) I don't see how you manage to believe that. You seem to be drawing an awfully fine distinction ... either that, of course, or your reasoning is no more than "It just is. Because I say so."
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Explaining things to you is a lost cause. I've heard a bazillion sermons and read hundreds of books explaining these things and I ought to know things about Christian theology you aren't in any position to know, but that doesn't stop you or anybody else here from thinking you are the experts and I know nothing.
Homosexuality IS included in the commandment against adultery. I've heard it preached that way. But it's included in the extended comments on the law in the rest of the Pentateuch in any case. Yes, God is the one who ordained marriage between a man and a woman and it doesn't matter to Him who performs the ceremony. He never said only those marriages are valid that are done in His name, only that a man leave mother and father and cleave to his wife, and that the two become one flesh. We leave people's sins alone except for preaching against them. We may preach against Hindu idolatry as well as against homosexuality or gay marriage, but it's their business and not ours as long as we are not required to participate in it. There is really something wrong with your mind. Fallenness, for starters, of course. You ARE pathetic. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Homosexuality IS included in the commandment against adultery. I've heard it preached that way. I could preach a sermon saying that bananas are included among the fish, it wouldn't make it so.
Yes, God is the one who ordained marriage between a man and a woman and it doesn't matter to Him who performs the ceremony. He has no objection to idol-worship and the adoration of false gods? Boy, Moses really misquoted him, didn't he?
We leave people's sins alone except for preaching against them. We may preach against Hindu idolatry as well as against homosexuality or gay marriage, but it's their business and not ours as long as we are not required to participate in it. And yet apparently you think there is a difference between being "required to participate" in a Hindu wedding with its idolatry and its worship of false gods, and being "required to participate" in a gay wedding with its gayness.
There is really something wrong with your mind. I knew there must be some reason why your arguments are so silly. My mind. Of course.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
That's as stpid and blasphemous as... Of all the strange crimes that humanity has legislated out of nothing, blasphemy is the most amazing - with obscenity and indecent exposure fighting it out for second and third place. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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Straightshot Member (Idle past 2836 days) Posts: 89 From: Mitchell SD USA Joined: |
Coyote
You are correct about man made religions .... they are all folly and fable .... and all should be refuted .... unfortunately they all continue just the same 2 Peter2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment Unfortunately most of professing Christianity has become of one of the same cloth Exception [2 Peter 1:16-21] One a lighter note .... I live in the outback of South Dakota and last winter I captured two of the biggest coyotes I have ever seen feeding on a white tail deer with a game camera .... I would say about 65 pounds each Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given. Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given. Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given.
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Capt Stormfield Member Posts: 429 From: Vancouver Island Joined: |
Explaining things to you is a lost cause. I'm not sure how you could have reached that conclusion, since you haven't addressed the question. If it is OK for a clerk to issue a license for a marriage ceremony that violates several of your God's commandments, why is it not OK to issue a license that violates only one of them? Why is homosexuality a greater sin than idolatry. Try to stay focused this time.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Explaining things to YOU is no doubt a lost cause as well, since I've explained this quite thoroughly already to very dull hearers.
I'm not sure how you could have reached that conclusion, since you haven't addressed the question. If it is OK for a clerk to issue a license for a marriage ceremony that violates several of your God's commandments, why is it not OK to issue a license that violates only one of them? Why is homosexuality a greater sin than idolatry. Try to stay focused this time
THERE IS NO COMMANDMENT VIOLATED BY ISSUING A MARRIAGE LICENCE FOR A HINDU WEDDING. IF IT WERE BEING ISSUED TO VALIDATE IDOLATRY IN SOME WAY THEN YOU MIGHT HAVE A CASE, BUT IT ISN'T, IT'S FOR THE NORMAL WEDDING OF A MAN AND A WOMAN, PERIOD. WHO PERFORMS THE WEDDING HAS NEVER BEEN A PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. IT'S IRRELEVANT. AND HOMOSEXUALITY, AGAIN, FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME, IS NOT THE PROBLEM IN ITSELF, IT'S THAT GAY MARRIAGE SPECIFICALLY VIOLATES GOD'S MARRIAGE ORDINANCE WHICH IS ONLY FOR A MAN AND A WOMAN. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
So, just to check: if a Christian is "required to participate" in a ceremony involving worshiping false gods with burnt offerings and the adoration of heathen idols, that's not a problem?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know if you're nuts or just malicious as usual, but if I issue a license for a GAY MARRIAGE, I am in tacit agreement that gay marriage is acceptable, which I cannot allow because the Bible says it's a violation of God's law.
In this case I am not participating in the ceremony itself or having anything to do with the ceremony, I'm just giving a license for a marriage that is illegitimate according to the Bible. But if I issue a license for a marriage of Hindus, or Mormons, or apostate Anglicans, or Jehovah's Witnesses or Shintoists or Buddhists or Catholics or atheists, etc etc etc, as long as the license is for one man and one woman there is no problem. Excuse me but you are a blithering idiot. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
No, homosexuality falls under the same category as eating shellfish and wearing cotton-polyester blends.
Homosexuality is condemned under Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery. Faith writes:
There's your problem again: putting all your faith into sermons and commentaries instead of actually READING the Bible.
I guess you've never heard a good sermon series on the Ten Commandments.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you read some commentaries you might not say such stupid things about the Bible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
If you would read the Bible, you wouldn't need to rely on your ****** commentaries.
If you read some commentaries you might not say such ****** things about the Bible.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2133 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I don't know if you're nuts or just malicious as usual, but if I issue a license for a GAY MARRIAGE, I am in tacit agreement that gay marriage is acceptable, which I cannot allow because the Bible says it's a violation of God's law. In this case I am not participating in the ceremony itself or having anything to do with the ceremony, I'm just giving a license for a marriage that is illegitimate according to the Bible. You are not giving the license, the state is. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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