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Omnivorous
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Message 107 of 113 (769309)
09-19-2015 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by ringo
09-18-2015 12:52 PM


Re: Ten Who Rejected Christ
ringo writes:
The Flood story might tell you that God will save you if you trust in Him. Or it might tell you that you have to build your own ark. What it should NOT tell you is that it really happened.
When I realized we were supposed to believe the fairy tales we were being told in Sunday School with comics and coloring books , I read the Bible through for the first time.
My dad was a union steward, so my first thought was that our contract wasn't worth the paper it was written on, since the Boss could just tear it up, and often did.
I read about the second Job Junior and wondered how he slept at night. Perhaps he'd never heard of double-or-nothing.
I decided the Bible was a collection of fables with no connection to any nonhuman power. I'd seen enough real world by then to know the cruelty and betrayal in it smelled entirely human.
I was disinvited to Sunday School. The minister told me I should go home and think about whether or not I wanted to burn in Hell forever. I told him that if God and the elite partied in Heaven while billions of people were tortured forever, I wanted no part of it. I thought he was going to hit me, for he was a Godly man.
I still feel that way. Tormenting my brothers and sisters is a deal-breaker.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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Omnivorous
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Message 111 of 113 (769438)
09-20-2015 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Phat
09-18-2015 9:09 PM


Re: Ten Who Rejected Christ
Phat writes:
ringo writes:
Remember what the thread is about: exchanging what He does for us with what He does to others.
So are you suggesting that we resist accepting what He does for us and bargaining for the release of others---especially those who miss the cut? It suggests that we play God ourselves and snub our noses at the "Host" unless He allows us to bring our grungy guests with us....why not give Him the right to refuse service to whomever he wishes? Do we love people more than Him? If so, we are going against scripture...
Weren't you once involved with a union, Phat? Would you go to your membership and say, "The Boss wants to give me a major bonus if I fire you guys. I love ya and all, but...you understand"?
Is it loving people more than God if we do as were told, and treat all people as if they were Him? Loving them as ourselves? Greater love hath no man...
Perhaps you could make a case against an idolatrous regard for an individual, which is what the scripture you cite seems to be about. But loving people and treating each one the way we would God is about as scriptural as you're gonna get.
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"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence

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