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Coragyps
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Message 46 of 96 (770006)
09-27-2015 6:52 PM
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09-27-2015 6:03 PM


Summer 2017 in central Nebraska. I'll bring beer.
But it also will be visible out around Murphy, NC.
And "harvest moon" has nothing to do with how close to Earth the moon is - it's just a full moon at threshing time that provided light before headlights were invented. That hunormous size of a rising full moon (or sun) is a trick of the brain. A green pea held out near arm's length will blot out one of those equally well as it will a full moon high in the sky in February.

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Message 47 of 96 (770007)
09-27-2015 7:53 PM
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09-27-2015 11:27 AM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
The problem is that this meaning from our less enlightened past could mean other humans had their lives made more miserable and too early ended.
It can also mean compassion for others and motivation for self-improvement.

Love your enemies!

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Message 48 of 96 (770008)
09-27-2015 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by xongsmith
09-27-2015 5:45 PM


Because the moon will be just tad later than perigee, the shadow of the earth should drown it out in entirety, %100, here in the east coast side of the USA.
To be clear, the issue of totality is with proximity of the moon to the nodes of the lunar orbit, where the nodes are the points of intersection of the lunar orbit with the plane of the earth's orbit. The diameter of the earth's shadow (the umbra or inner shadow) is about three times the diameter of the moon regardless of whether the moon is at perigee or at apogee.
On April 4, 2015, the moon crossed the earth's shadow in such a way that the moon was nearly tangential to the upper left edge of the earth's shadow at the point where the moon was most fully within the shadow (as viewed in the northern hemisphere). The result was a very short eclipse that may or may not have been total.
See image below:
Today's eclipse occurs with the moon a bit closer to the nodes, which produces a more nearly ideal crossing, and a substantially longer period of totality. No question about totality at all. See image below:
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Rrhain
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Message 49 of 96 (770013)
09-28-2015 4:45 AM
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09-27-2015 6:52 PM


Coragyps writes:
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And "harvest moon" has nothing to do with how close to Earth the moon is - it's just a full moon at threshing time that provided light before headlights were invented.
Yep. "Harvest" Moon is the full moon nearest the Autumnal Equinox, so named because it helped to provide light during harvest time when electric lights hadn't been invented yet. Because the full moon is so close to the equinox, actual moonrise is fairly consistent over the days surrounding the full moon. That is, on average, moonrise regresses about 50 minutes from night to night but at the equinox, it's about 30 minutes (at latitudes across the middle of the US). That means there isn't much of a gap between sunset and moonrise during this time and with a full (or nearly full) moon, there is a fair amount of light.
It's followed by "Hunter's" Moon when, after harvest when the fields are bare but there is still some grain in the fields, hunters can find game coming out at night to forage for the leftovers.
And contrary to much folklore, neither "Harvest Moon" nor "Hunter's Moon" have any connection to Native Americans. They are British in origin.
Here in San Diego, the moon came up eclipsed. It was quite lovely to see the red moon rising. However, nobody seemed to wonder why I had my telescope out like the last time.

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Message 50 of 96 (770014)
09-28-2015 4:48 AM


Raptureless Tortured Moon
I didn’t hear any wailing or gnashing of teeth during the first half of the game so at half-time I went out to take a look. Didn’t see any rapture going on but some of my neighbors were gathered about looking at the moon. It was kinda big hanging low in the east and was a funny dark-orangey color. I asked if anyone had seen the dragon that bit it to make it bleed like that. No one had. Then one of the fellas said he thought it might have been a spear that had pierced the moon to make it bleed.
Someone said that whether it was a dragon or a spear it was the Christians’ fault and we ought to get some of them and nail them to the trees until their god stopped torturing our moon. After some discussion we decided this wasn’t such a good idea since that meant hurting the trees banging nails into them and it wasn’t their fault they were made of wood.
So, no rapture, no Christians nailed to trees. I went back in to finish watching Denver manhandle Detroit. It occurred to me later that we could have nailed the Christians to Ms. Becky’s house but by then Denver was on the march again so I let it go and got me another glass of wine.

  
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Message 51 of 96 (770015)
09-28-2015 5:24 AM
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09-27-2015 5:02 PM


Re: SIgns in the Heavenlies: The Star of Bethlehem
I missed the moon, slept through it. Should have expected that since my sleep patterns have been weird.
Just watched The Star of Bethlehem myself. It's mostly Larson the lawyer talking in a classroom situation explaining his research with Bible quotes that describe the phenomena he's researching. He does show the astronomical events as illustrated by his software, but it goes by awfully fast and the picture is not very clear. Wish it was a bigger screen, clearer picture, and allowed a much longer time to digest what's going on. Also, although it's titled the Bethlehem Star the most interesting heavenly events occur around the crucifixion, when there is also a blood moon.
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Message 52 of 96 (770016)
09-28-2015 5:49 AM


frequency of eclipses
Also some questions and thoughts lingering in my mind.
1) Doesn't the harvest moon occur at the perigee as dwise was saying about this one, so it should be closer and that would be one reason it appears larger?
2) Although the Jewish holidays follow the phases of the moon and occur in the months when blood moons always occur, lunar eclipses don't always occur in those months, or are often partial and not the total eclipse of a blood moon. It's the blood moon that figures in the scripture.
3) Also although it was pointed out that the solar and lunar eclipses occur two weeks apart, lunar eclipses are much more common and don't all that often occur with the solar eclipse. That makes the combination of total solar and total lunar eclipse a lot more rare than the comment implied.
That prophecy by the way of both the moon turning to blood and the sun not giving its light appears to have been fulfilled at Christ's crucifixion. The second coming is to be heralded by signs in sun, moon and stars, a more general statement about the signs to look for. But I haven't been following prophecy all that closely so this too may not be quite accurate.
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MrHambre
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Message 53 of 96 (770017)
09-28-2015 6:07 AM


The Usual Suspects
Something so weird was happening to the moon last night that Tom Brady subsequently destroyed his cell phone.

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NoNukes
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Message 54 of 96 (770018)
09-28-2015 6:35 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Faith
09-28-2015 5:49 AM


Re: frequency of eclipses
1) Doesn't the harvest moon occur at the perigee as dwise was saying about this one, so it should be closer and that would be one reason it appears larger?
No, that cannot be the case for every harvest moon. The lunar cycle is out of phase with the yearly calendar, but the harvest moon must be a full moon in a given month. Further lunar procession causes the perigee and apogee points to rotate on an 8.85 year cycle. As a result the moon's apogee occurs at different points of the year each year. The line of the nodes rotates on a cycle that completes after 18.60 years so that the positions of the nodes is different as well. The moon's orbit around the earth is very complicated.
And those supermoons are less than 3% larger than the average moon size. You would not notice that the supermoon was any larger than the typical size without some measuring aid.
3) Also although it was pointed out that the solar and lunar eclipses occur two weeks apart, lunar eclipses are much more common and don't all that often occur with the solar eclipse. That makes the combination of total solar and total lunar eclipse a lot more rare than the comment implied.
Your premise is incorrect. According to wikipedia, there were 228 solar eclipses in the 20th century and 230 lunar eclipses. So the frequencies of occurrence for solar eclipses and lunar eclipses are nearly the same. What is different is the visibility. Each solar eclipse is visible from a relatively small percentage of the earth, while each lunar eclipse is visible over about half of the earth.
That said, I believe it is possible for one or more of the eclipses in a pair to be missed. Mostly, that does not happen.
2) Although the Jewish holidays follow the phases of the moon and occur in the months when blood moons always occur, lunar eclipses don't always occur in those months, or are often partial and not the total eclipse of a blood moon. It's the blood moon that figures in the scripture.
I'm guessing that somebody's point was that there are quite a few moon based Jewish holidays and that some eclipse was bound to hit one most years.
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History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Message 55 of 96 (770021)
09-28-2015 9:16 AM
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09-27-2015 7:53 PM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
It can also mean compassion for others and motivation for self-improvement.
Could. But history shows us it hasn't.

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Message 56 of 96 (770022)
09-28-2015 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by NoNukes
09-28-2015 6:35 AM


Re: frequency of eclipses
In this current tetrad of blood moons, which may or may not have been a complete tetrad, there was one solar eclipse, on March 20 of this year preceding the Passover blood moon. If they occur with blood moons, for some reason only one in four occurred this time.
I'm guessing that somebody's point was that there are quite a few moon based Jewish holidays and that some eclipse was bound to hit one most years.
Yes, but only the blood moon is significant prophetically, and in conjunction with a total solar eclipse.
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Message 57 of 96 (770024)
09-28-2015 10:24 AM
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09-28-2015 9:44 AM


Re: frequency of eclipses
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In this current tetrad of blood moons, which may or may not have been a complete tetrad, there was one solar eclipse, on March 20 of this year preceding the Passover blood moon. If they occur with blood moons, for some reason only one in four occurred this time.
Not correct. All four of the lunar eclipses was either preceded or followed by a solar eclipse, the separation being 14 or 15 days in each case.
Lunar eclipse_______ Solar Eclipse
April 15, 2014_______ April 29, 2014
October 8, 2014_____ October 23, 2014
April 4, 2015________ March 20, 2015
September 28, 2015__ September 13, 2015
If you were looking only at those cases when the solar eclipse came first, you somehow missed the September 13, 2015 eclipse. I am not sure what error you are making or from where you are getting your information.
Yes, but only the blood moon is significant prophetically, and in conjunction with a total solar eclipse.
The question remains as to whether such a thing is all that rare. Another questions might be whether it matters where the eclipses are visible. Or even whether the prophecy even refers to eclipses.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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Message 58 of 96 (770025)
09-28-2015 10:27 AM
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09-28-2015 10:24 AM


Re: frequency of eclipses
The question remains as to whether such a thing is all that rare. Another questions might be whether it matters where the eclipses are visible. Or even whether the prophecy even refers to eclipses.
A prophetic sign that is as common as eclipses is like almost all prophetic signs; totally useless and worthless.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Jon
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Message 59 of 96 (770026)
09-28-2015 11:12 AM
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09-28-2015 9:16 AM


Re: Spirit Be Damned.
Of course it has. Death and disease are purely spiritless and mechanical processes.
The fact that we both care about them shows that we see meaning in some of the most mundane things in nature.
Assigning meaning to our world is as necessary for doing good as it is for doing bad - probably even moreso.

Love your enemies!

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Faith 
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Message 60 of 96 (770028)
09-28-2015 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by NoNukes
09-28-2015 10:24 AM


Re: frequency of eclipses
The information I'm getting about the four blood moons and the one solar eclipse comes from the prophetic ministries -- a whole bunch of them -- who have been following this tetrad event for the last few years.
Now the subject is getting too confused to bother continuing it, but one last comment: you can't be talking about TOTAL solar eclipses. Those are the only ones that count.
A tetrad of blood moons occurs about once in 250 years, eight of them since the time of Christ. Single blood moons are more common.

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