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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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I am still unclear what you hope to gain from this exercise.
...if toe could Happen, ev wins. There is no if. Evolution has already won. It not only could happen, it did happen and continues to happen. We already know this with an exceptional level of confidence and certainty. If your goal is to convince the nay-sayers and creationists then you should know by now that isn't going to happen. There already are tons of much stronger evidence they choose to ignore. Saying you think it may have taken this x many mutations and this x amount of time, will be ignored like everything else they have been presented. If this exercise is intended to show that evolution can happen and can make complex multi-cellular structures like humans and oak trees, we already know that. This "mutation time-line" data point you may develop will not do anything to change any opinions. But, hey, academic exercises can be fun without ultimately being of any use. The major problem you face is in identifying all the steps required in that mutation time-line. There are billions of them. No one can even begin to identify a bunch of them let alone most of them or, heaven forbid, all of them. The best that might be done is to sum experienced and knowledgeable speculations from a list of specialists in everything from intra-cellular messenger protein cascades to zygotic structure generation with the expectation that most of these will be off by 2,3,4 orders of magnitude. The end result may be a pretty number that you will have already determined is not even close to accurate. And, further, you will know that this time-line is not anything close to what actually happened to get from simple proto-bacteria to human. So, again, why are we doing this? Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Oh, I did understand Lamden. You presented a false dilemma. I understand that very, very well. Are you able to understand it, darling? Honey?
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9 |
I think it will be a long time.
Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy |
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3
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RAZD writes: What was the most primitive form of life and when did it appear? Blue-green (cyano) bacteria around 3.7 - 3.8 billion years ago on a 4.5 billion year old rock, in the oldest known strata of sedimentary rock.
What was the earliest "human being" and when did it appear? 6 million to 2 million years ago, depending on what you call "human being" ... (Homo or Homo sapiens sapiens?) I actually knew those answers, more or less, but I was curious about Lamden's take on the questions. An honest reply from Lamden would have been revealing, I think. But I apparently put myself beyond the pale earlier, and no longer merit his replies. I will soldier on."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads." Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.-Terence
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 800 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: There is no if. Evolution has already won Now I understand freemasonary and secret societies, the promotion of evolution makes perfect sense.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Ahh, yes. Dumbass conspiracy weenies. Gotta love 'em.
Welcome back, Big_Al35.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 800 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: Welcome back, Big_Al35 Thanks, yes I don't argue the toss much anymore. However, I thought I would put a spotlight on that Dawkins fellow. It is rumoured that he is a freemason. Hitchens is possibly another. There is even a video of them in what appears to be a blue lodge. Hmmm makes you wonder.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
...that Dawkins fellow. It is rumoured that he is a freemason. Hitchens is possibly another. Well, Hitch is dead and Dawkins is atheist. You cannot be an active member of a Blue Lodge in either of those conditions.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 800 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: Well, Hitch is dead and Dawkins is atheist. You cannot be an active member of a Blue Lodge in either of those conditions You seem to know an awful lot about it. Care to elaborate how you got this information?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Care to elaborate how you got this information? No. And, no, I am not a mason. I am atheist. I am not allowed into the foyer let alone the meeting lodge. Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 800 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: And, no, I am not a mason. I am atheist. I am not allowed into the foyer let alone the meeting lodge I guess you tried to get into that foyer right? It's funny but I am a christian and yet I've never been invited to join a lodge. Edited by Big_Al35, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I guess you tried to get into that foyer right? The Great Architect and I parted ways back in High School. I have never had an interest in joining a religious organization.
It's funny but I am a christian and yet I've never been invited to join a lodge. You never will be invited. That's not the way it works.
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Big_Al35 Member (Idle past 800 days) Posts: 389 Joined: |
AZPaul3 writes: You never will be invited. That's not the way it works Story of my life. I can't even get a member rating on these forums ffs.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I can't even get a member rating on these forums ffs. You're trying to set me off on a rant aren't you? Member ratings are juvenile. Most of us here are at least supposed to act like adults. You don't need a member rating. I don't need a member rating. In fact, you can have mine! I give it to you.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 857 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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I don't need a member rating. In fact, you can have mine! I give it to you. Of course you're willing to give your's away, it's a piddly 4.9; but if you had a much better rating, like say a 7.5 or higher, you might not be so willing... HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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