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Message 95 of 120 (769885)
09-26-2015 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Tangle
09-26-2015 3:05 AM


Empathy in general vs "still small voice"
Tangle writes:
Are you saying that the feeling of empathy you have when you see another human suffer is god speaking directly to you every time you feel it?
No. Everyone has general empathy. I am suggesting that God places specific people on our hearts...people who otherwise would be largely shunned. Everyone can rescue a puppy, but it takes a real heart to rescue some old drunk with no redeeming qualities.
I am also suggesting that God works through people (such as yourself)
who may be unaware or oblivious of His presence.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 98 of 120 (769937)
09-26-2015 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by ringo
09-26-2015 12:03 PM


Re: Empathy in general vs "still small voice"
My intention was not to preach against helping old downtrodden.
My point is that doing so will not enhance your status with the Creator.
I guess that my whole irritation at your admonition was because I felt forced to do. I value that freedom highly. to choose not may oftentimes be a wrong choice. Were you I, would you surrender the freedom?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 100 of 120 (769990)
09-27-2015 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by ringo
09-27-2015 2:24 PM


Re: Empathy in general vs "still small voice"
Jesus was talking to Jews when He preached works.
Paul (whom you guys seemingly ignore) showed us that our righteousness was as filthy rags and that there was and is no way to earn salvation.
Salvation is a gift. It is not given only to those who hear and do.
In fact, having confidence in your own salvation based on how much works you do is a surefire recipe for failure.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Message 102 of 120 (770057)
09-28-2015 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by ringo
09-27-2015 3:37 PM


Good Works. A Chore or an Impartation?
You are dismissing the influence of the Holy Spirit. Pauls "information" was directly from God when he was knocked off his High Horse on the Damascus Road. There are several examples of the influence of the Holy Spirit.
Peter, despite having been on the mount of transfiguration, denied Christ 3 times as jesus said he would do. Later he was instrumental in 3000 people coming to know the Lord.
You seem to think that the message is simply one of trying to do ones best with no help from God. My point is that a transformed life is never achieved through works. The only thing one gets is a satiated
conscience.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 105 of 120 (770118)
09-29-2015 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by jar
09-29-2015 1:10 PM


Marketing A Message
jar writes:
That is what Jesus taught instead of what Paul and Peter and Luke and John tried to market.
Im going to investigate whether there is any real evidence that Jesus had a different message than the fab four. The dispensationalists have ready explanations. The message did change---we see that. There is no evidence that the message was being sold rather than told, however.
First is there any evidence of a transformed life?
I would argue that there is evidence in most cases.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 107 of 120 (770406)
10-05-2015 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by jar
09-29-2015 8:09 PM


Re: Marketing A Message
Of course the message was being sold, what the hell do you think evangelism means or evangelists do; they try to sell their product.
There is no evidence that Paul was in it for the money nor anyone mentioned in the New testament, except perhaps Judas.
Christs death had more impact than His life.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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Phat
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Message 117 of 120 (770463)
10-06-2015 3:19 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by jar
10-05-2015 6:51 PM


His Death,Burial, and Resurrection or His Life?
jar writes:
Christianity is NOT the Gospel of Jesus but the creation of others.
While I will agree that some of the dogma was spread for ulterior motives, I believe that much of what was written by others was inspired of the Holy Spirit.
Additionally and probably controversially, much of what is taught and has been taught is of satan. Doctrines of Demons. Admittedly you don't know this. Satan works through the church also, and I will concede that many TV and radio preachers are also his tools of deception.
Many otherwise intelligent people are fooled by delusion. Men such as Richard Carrier, Richard Dawkins, and the late Christopher Hitchens were quite logical, well learned, and yet wrong.
You have said before that the God you believe in could care less whether humans even worship Her. The fact is, however, that Christianity is all about a relationship with Jesus Christ---the closest that GOD can get to we ants. Jesus life was and is important. In my belief He overcame death for a reason---"us" being that reason.
jar writes:
Jesus was never a Christian, he was born, raised and died a Jew.
And what was He when GOD raised Him from the dead?
Jesus once asked Peter who Peter thought He was. Peter told Him that He was the Christ, the Son of the living God. Who do YOU think that Jesus is..(never mind his humanity while on earth).
Why would the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus not be important. To many, it is the core doctrine of the Bible.
Edited by Phat, : edited and better explained

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain

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