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Author Topic:   A New Run at the End of Evolution by Genetic Processes Argument
14174dm
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Message 6 of 259 (770693)
10-12-2015 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Faith
10-11-2015 6:33 PM


If true, how would the founder look?
Instead of arguing about things from the evolutionary side, shouldn't we be examining the predictions to be made based on Faith's proposal? The search for falsification or confirmation based on prediction & evidence?
So Faith is saying that the pair of canine-kind that walked off the ark had all the genes for all the descendants that now make up the canine family? I assume that would have to include species that have gone extinct.
Not big on biology but wondering how that would work.
Which genes would be switched on in the founding generation? All of them?
With the tiny number of individuals per generation for the first few generations, how would only the genes that became gray wolf stay together in lineage A while only the genes in the silver fox stayed together only in lineage B. Wouldn't you end up mixing them back together?

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14174dm
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Message 27 of 259 (770725)
10-13-2015 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Faith
10-13-2015 12:19 AM


Re: If true, how would the founder look?
Your arguments seem to be against evolution.
You should be making arguments that support your proposal.
From my point of view, if there are two people then there are three answers.
1. My answer which may be wrong or incomplete
2. Your answer which may be wrong or incomplete
3. THE ANSWER which we don't know and are trying to find out
Just because I'm wrong doesn't make you right. We both could be wrong.
For example (non-biologist so may be stupid examples) -
Finding parent-child species and showing which genes were lost and that no genes were added.
Finding DNA from specimens either extinct or at least very old and comparing to current specimens. Did ancient bear carcasses found in caves have more functioning genes than current bears?

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14174dm
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Message 28 of 259 (770727)
10-13-2015 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Dr Adequate
10-13-2015 12:06 PM


Re: If true, how would the founder look?
I forgot about the genetic diseases. These would be in the Ark ur-wolves since that was after the Fall so disease and death had entered the world.
I was thinking more along the lines of whether or how all the genes would be expressed.
These ur-wolves would have ALL the genes for all hair colors for all the descendent species for example. Were they multi-colored fuzzballs? Patches of long & patches of short hair?
Would the chromosomes need to be larger than the current ones to hold all the genes? Is there enough non-coding (no function whatsoever) space in the DNA to hold the missing genes?
I am trying to think through how Faith's proposal would work in an individual animal.

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