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Author | Topic: Are religions manmade and natural or supernaturally based? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Dr,
Dr writes: I'm sure the two of you have a lot to discuss. Let us know when you reach a consensus. I have my mind made up. Scientist is the ones that do not have their mind made up. Since your reading skills are not up to par tonight I will refresh your memory of my original statement. "I believe in a supernatural God. Everybody says why? Scientific fact: The universe has not always existed.Scientific fact: The universe had a beginning to exist. Scientific fact: The universe exists. Before the universe there would have been an absence of anything. No space, time, matter, energy, or vacuum, as all those began to exist when the universe began to exist. Now whatever caused the universe to have a beginning to exist from an absence of anything would be a supernatural power. I call that supernatural power God, what do you call it?" As you see my mind is made up, and I gave my reasons. Scientist are the only ones that have to say "we don't know". Now if you have an alternative as to how the universe can have a beginning to exist without a supernatural power producing it share your evidence with us. God Bless,"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Rather than arguing with an entire book - and I note that you don't quote any arguments from it - I'll point out that it is events AFTER Jesus' death that are important to the resurrection. Looking at the wrong evidence is hardly a good way to reach a conclusion. To add further, on having looked at the text it seems to have very little value. Morrison uncritically accepts the Gospeks as reliable. It does not, for instance occur to him that the Gospel accounts of Jesus trial would be heavily biased and naturally would insist on Jesus' innocence - the more so if they were relying on Christian sources. Now maybe somewhere Morrison comes up with a good answer to a point I have raised. But digging through such unpromising material to find points to refute is hardly worth my time. If kbertsche wishes to claim such arguments are there it is his responsibility to produce them. Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.
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kbertsche Member (Idle past 2159 days) Posts: 1427 From: San Jose, CA, USA Joined: |
PaulK writes:
Yes, and Morrison came to the same conclusion, as he explained in his first chapter. And this is why he titled his book "Who Moved the Stone?"
Rather than arguing with an entire book - and I note that you don't quote any arguments from it - I'll point out that it is events AFTER Jesus' death that are important to the resurrection. Looking at the wrong evidence is hardly a good way to reach a conclusion. PaulK writes:
Basically, Morrison approached the gospel accounts as a lawyer examining purported eyewitness claims, intending to show that they were inconsistent with one another. But instead he concluded that they were consistent with one another and with real eyewitness testimony.
To add further, on having looked at the text it seems to have very little value. Morrison uncritically accepts the Gospeks as reliable. It does not, for instance occur to him that the Gospel accounts of Jesus trial would be heavily biased and naturally would insist on Jesus' innocence - the more so if they were relying on Christian sources. Now maybe somewhere Morrison comes up with a good answer to a point I have raised. But digging through such unpromising material to find points to refute is hardly worth my time. If kbertsche wishes to claim such arguments are there it is his responsibility to produce them."Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." — Albert Einstein I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. — Erwin Schroedinger
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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ICANT writes: But the only truthful answer is "We don't Know what existed at T=0". ICANT writes: It had to be a supernatural power ICANT writes: Before the universe there would have been an absence of anything. Let us know when the three ICANT's reach consensus.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Imagine a lawyer appealing a court decision.
Imagine that he submits a document which he identifies as minutes of the trial Suppose that this document is written by partisans of the accused, who were not present for the trial. That's the sort of lawyer Morrison was. At least according to you. Unless you admit that he was writing as an apologist, not a lawyer, a believer who unquestioningly accepted the Gospels as accurate - even when dealing with matters that none of the authors witnessed - you are not honestly presenting Morrison's work.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Faith
"It is not a narrative. It is a bogus made-up dialogue putting words in the mouths of Biblical personalities they would never say." Tell us why that is bogus and made-up dialog that you refuse to accept yet will accept dialog coming from a talking serpent and donkey? Why accept what animals say but not what humans say? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Faith
So all the churches are corrupted except for yours. You go ahead and believe that self-inflicted lie. You believe what the winners of the God wars is telling you while ignoring that the winners wrote the history they wanted you to work with. You believe those lies while ignoring Jesus and scriptures. Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. RegardsDL
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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ICANT writes: I take it that you write that scientists are the people who can't make their minds up. Scientist is the ones that do not have their mind made up. Hope you do know that it's a virtue and not a vice? In the industry I work in (economic geology) scientists change their minds all the time as new evidence comes along. It works. Very, very well. Getting closer to reality all the time. That's the way mining companies spend billions on exploration and mining. To change one's mind when new evidence comes along to get closer to reality is a virtue. Not a vice.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
ICANT
God is said to say that A & E became as God's in the knowing of good and evil. If God says that, who are you to deny the gospels? --------- "God is not a moral man. God is a supernatural power that is a God of Justice." This indicates God's first work as a judge. Do you think a good judge sets and accepts bribes and sacrifices? 1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. Do you vote for judges where you are and would you vote in a judge who accepts bribes and sacrifices and punishes the innocent instead of the guilty? ----------- "Are you saying our men who are sent into battle to die by the powers that be makes your moral sense superior to the supernatural power that caused the universe to exist?" Are you serious?Compare that morality to your God killing and torturing all the babies and innocent children that he is shown to kill in scriptures. ---------- "What do you call the supernatural power that was required to produce the universe?" Your imagination. Why would you choose a God that is such a prick to follow? Do you not have any pride or moral sense? RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
The resurrection is irrelevant as to Jesus being the messiah.
The messiah was to live and rule over the Jews, not take off and never return. What good is a savior that does not save? Only those who have sold their souls to Satan be believing in all kinds of supernatural garbage will not recognize that a savior that does not save is not worth anything. RegardsDL |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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Remarkable. Everybody is a liar who disagrees with you. In fact everybody is a liar but you. I guess we should all bow down and worship you.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You and GIA are going to have to fight it out for the honor of being the only one who never lies. All your opponents lie. That's really your only argument, they're all liars.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
But I am willing to agree that the math produces a blank sheet. No, if the math breaks down then it doesn't produce anything. ABE: As you say in Message 81:
quote: So it's not even telling us that there is a "blank sheet". So this statement is also wrong:
quote: It does not tell us about what was there, not even that it was no thing. Edited by Cat Sci, : No reason given.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Faith
How easily you ignore what Jesus says for a cheap insult to me. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 302 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Faith
You are the one who said all other dogma's were lies except for yours. RegardsDL
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