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Author Topic:   Prehistoric Utah Rock Art Does Not Depict a Pterosaur, Study Confirms
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10-28-2015 8:13 PM


http://westerndigs.org/...-depict-a-pterosaur-study-confirms

Dealing what they say is a “mortal blow” to the interpretation of some creationists, a team of archaeologists has concluded that a panel of rock art in Utah portrays all manner of fantastic figures, but it does not, in fact, depict a pterosaur.

The findings are the result of the first scientific study of a well-known set of pictographs in Black Dragon Canyon, in the sandstone canyons of southeastern Utah’s San Rafael Swell.

The images, first documented in the 1920s, form a rich tableau of eerie, human-like and animal figures, painted in the familiar red-ochre technique known as the Barrier Canyon style.

But due to a combination of poor preservation and decades of defacement, the scene has appeared to some observers to depict a pterosaur — a winged reptile that lived during the age of the dinosaurs — leading some creationists to cite it as evidence that humans and dinosaurs co-existed.

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I've used D-Stretch on a number of pictographs in my area and it is an amazing program.


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Message 2 of 9 (771718)
10-28-2015 9:58 PM
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10-28-2015 8:13 PM


No reason why they should depict a pre-Flood creature that seems to gave become extinct in the Flood, since there's no reason to expect that the rock art could have survived the Flood. However, eerie human-like and animal creatures DO suggest something antediluvian. Hm. On the other other hand the area is stacked with strata, which of course were formed by the Flood....
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Message 3 of 9 (771723)
10-29-2015 12:36 AM
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10-28-2015 9:58 PM


Flood?
Sorry, no flood.

The evidence is all against the idea of such a flood in historic times so don't even bother.


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Message 4 of 9 (771725)
10-29-2015 1:04 AM
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Re: Flood?
Strata, fossils, genetic degeneration = wonderful evidence for the Flood in historic times.
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10-29-2015 10:50 AM
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10-29-2015 1:04 AM


Re: Flood?
Faith writes:

Strata, fossils, genetic degeneration = wonderful evidence for the Flood in historic times.

No, it isn't. Genetic degeneration is something you made up. All the evidence shows there has never been a global flood. You have been shown mountains of this evidence over the years and you ignore it and do not understand it.

Stop mucking up a Links and information topic.

Edited by Tanypteryx, : No reason given.


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Message 6 of 9 (771760)
10-29-2015 2:06 PM
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10-29-2015 1:04 AM


Re: Flood?
You are aware that for example my country exhibits zero evidence for any flooding?

Nothing, nada. We have a 2 billion yo bedrock and then strata 100 % consistent with ice age roughly 10 000 years ago.


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10-29-2015 6:53 PM
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Re: Flood?
She didn't make it up. Genetic degeneration is a common meme among YECs, fueled by Sanford's "genetic entropy". Which boils down to sciency-sounding jibber-jabber that impresses the ignorant.
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Message 8 of 9 (771790)
10-29-2015 11:21 PM
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10-28-2015 9:58 PM


No reason why they should depict a pre-Flood creature that seems to gave become extinct in the Flood, since there's no reason to expect that the rock art could have survived the Flood. However, eerie human-like and animal creatures DO suggest something antediluvian. Hm. On the other other hand the area is stacked with strata, which of course were formed by the Flood....

Kind of a conundrum, huh???

HBD


Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.

Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.


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Message 9 of 9 (771859)
10-31-2015 9:51 AM


Maybe a new or different discussion thread is needed?
This is the Links and Information forum, and discussions shouldn't really take place here. If someone would like to propose a new thread over at Proposed New Topics I'll try to give it a look. It should have a new wrinkle, otherwise it will be just another flood topic, which would be fine except it would just be the same topic with all the same people. A better idea might be to take discussion to an existing thread. Some suggestions:

Scan through the Geology and the Great Flood forum and you'll find more.


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