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Tangle
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Message 31 of 508 (772459)
11-14-2015 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
11-14-2015 12:01 PM


Re: The problem is in our beliefs.
Phat writes:
I totally disagree.
On what grounds do you disagree? Mohammed was a warrior, not a turn the other cheek, meditate quietly type of guy. Parts of the Quran and Hadith can properly be interpreted as the holy jihad of the kind being practiced by these fanatics.
It's unreformed. It needs moderate Muslims to do away with all the primitive abhorrences in their holy books just as liberal Christians have with theirs.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Faith 
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Message 32 of 508 (772462)
11-14-2015 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Tangle
11-14-2015 10:25 AM


As does Christianity. The difference is that Christianity manages to ignore its more revolting ideas and was reformed through secular and economic development. Islam has not been reformed and the worst parts of it are still practiced literally in under-developed countries with low education.
Like Christianity, it's going to take centuries to grow up and grow out of its worst aspects. And like Christianity it'll take a few more centuries to merge into a fuzzy sort of general niceness with little reference to its fundamental idiocies.
I don't know who made up that bunch of pernicious lies but it's sheer evil. There is noi comparison whatever. Islam is murder and has been from the beginning.
Hey keep your Muslims while they slaughter you. Have fun.

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Faith 
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Message 33 of 508 (772463)
11-14-2015 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by ringo
11-14-2015 10:50 AM


Our new government is looking at incoming refugees as an opportunity, not a problem.
Opportunity for what?

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Faith 
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Message 34 of 508 (772464)
11-14-2015 1:22 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Diomedes
11-14-2015 10:51 AM


Re: A Few Details
No you can't fight them and you can't change them. The best you can do is hope to keep them out of your own country.

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Faith 
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Message 35 of 508 (772465)
11-14-2015 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Omnivorous
11-14-2015 11:10 AM


Re: A Few Details
WHy, pray tell, Europe? Why not go east? Why not some other Arab country? Why Europe?

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Faith 
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Message 36 of 508 (772466)
11-14-2015 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Phat
11-14-2015 11:32 AM


Re: Response?
Governments are supposed to protect their citizens. Inviting in a horde of dangerous people is not protecting their citizens. Asking them to give up their apartments to this horde, as some have bgeen asked to do in Germany, is not protecting their citizens. Jesus never said anything to support creating dangerous situations.

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Message 37 of 508 (772467)
11-14-2015 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Phat
11-14-2015 12:01 PM


Re: The problem is in our beliefs.
Hey, nobody wants to understand the reality here. Fine, I'll stay out of it.

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RAZD
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Message 38 of 508 (772468)
11-14-2015 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Percy
11-14-2015 7:51 AM


Re: A Few More Details
How do we make this stop? ...
(1) ... stop making terrorists. Terrorism is a response to repression and unjust treatment. The Schrubbia administration ended up creating more terrorists than they killed or captured because of the way they treated the people, the civilian populations, with detached disdain. Drone attacks cause more people to be outraged and prepared for desperate measures to counter.
(2) ... stop glorifying their actions with 24\7 coverage gloating over how horrid and terrible it is and how planned and organized they were and how we are going to wage war on them, don't give them names and don't mention their claims (leave that for police investigations). Stop calling them "terrorist" and call them what they are: crazy criminals. You don't solve crazy or criminal behavior with wars, but with psychiatric treatment and criminal investigation, just prosecution and appropriate detention.
Everything we need to know could have been covered in 5 minutes.
Enjoy

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RAZD
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Message 39 of 508 (772469)
11-14-2015 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Faith
11-14-2015 1:28 PM


Re: A different Response?
Governments are supposed to protect their citizens. ...
And visitors and guests.
... Inviting in a horde of dangerous people is not protecting their citizens. ...
People that are refuges and immigrants are people that were fleeing death, destruction and mayhem in their home lands. They are not about to cause death, destruction and mayhem in their new homes.
They are not the fanatics, and you know it.
... Jesus never said anything to support creating dangerous situations.
Such as bottling people up in concentration camps instead of welcoming them?
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Porosity
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Message 40 of 508 (772470)
11-14-2015 1:45 PM


Gob rules!
It's sickening to see all the religious outrage standing up and saying.. "see! you have angered GoB! We Are the chosen primates!" They all fail to see the divisiveness of their fairy tales.

  
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Message 41 of 508 (772472)
11-14-2015 2:04 PM


"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie
If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

  
Dr Adequate
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Message 42 of 508 (772474)
11-14-2015 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Faith
11-14-2015 1:18 PM


Hey keep your Muslims while they slaughter you.
So, you've given up everything to help refugees, and Tangle is being slaughtered by Muslims. Seems like a lot of people I know are having a rough day.

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Coyote
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Message 43 of 508 (772476)
11-14-2015 2:47 PM


'Just wait' Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe
AN OPERATIVE working for Islamic State has revealed the terror group has successfully smuggled thousands of covert jihadists into Europe.
More
Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe | World | News | Express.co.uk

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein
How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein
It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers
If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle
If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 44 of 508 (772478)
11-14-2015 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Coyote
11-14-2015 2:47 PM


'Just wait' Islamic State reveals ...
Claims. The word is claims. You know how they're bad people? I think they may occasionally tell fibs.

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Tangle
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Message 45 of 508 (772479)
11-14-2015 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Dr Adequate
11-14-2015 2:16 PM


Dr A writes:
Tangle is being slaughtered by Muslims.
I'm fine so far. You guys will be the first to know.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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